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does anyone live in wales who could get his hands on this plant? i would like to grow it and experiment with it. http://www.nature.com/na.../n4273/abs/168517b0.htmlI am the Lorax. I speak for the trees. I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues. And I'm asking you, sir, at the top if my lungs.. (all posts are fictional and are intended for entertainment purpose only)
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Nice info, it does look like an interesting plant. Petalostyles labicheoides however contains tetrahydroharman and not tetrahydroharmine. The authors also make no mention of their yield (see attached document). They do mention however the occurrence of both stereoisomers of tetrahydroharman in Elaeagnus angustifolia, commonly known as Russian-olive. This spice plant may be easier to find and cultivate. Need to calculate between salts and freebases? Click here! Need to calculate freebase or salt percentage at a given pH? Click here!
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the Petalostyles labicheoides grows in wales and queensland. it should be no problem to find it in the UK. that other plant sounds interesting too. i found seeds to the plant you mentioned here: http://www.exoga.de/saat...-angustifolia-samen.htmlits pretty cheap. by the way.. i send you a PM. answer me.. the prints are almost ready  I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees. I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues. And I'm asking you, sir, at the top if my lungs.. (all posts are fictional and are intended for entertainment purpose only)
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Quote:Nice info, it does look like an interesting plant. Petalostyles labicheoides however contains tetrahydroharman and not tetrahydroharmine. Whats the differenece? WARNING: DO NOT INGEST ANY BOTANICAL WHICH YOU HAVE NOT FULLY RESEARCHED AND CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED!!!I am Teotzlcoatl, older cousin of Quetzalcoatl. My most famous physical incarnation was Nezahualcoyotl, but I have taken many forms since the dawn of the cosmos. In this realm I manifest as multiple entities at a single time. I am many, I am numbered. I am few, but more than one. I am a multifaceted being, a winged serpent with many heads. We are Teotzlcoatl. "We Are The One's We've Been Waiting For" - Hopi Proverb
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harman.....harmine some letters...THharman isnt the same
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yeah i think tetrahydroharman can be made from tetrahydroharmine. the harman is supposed to be more sedative than the harmine. hope i didn't get this mixed up. I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees. I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues. And I'm asking you, sir, at the top if my lungs.. (all posts are fictional and are intended for entertainment purpose only)
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Teotzlcoatl
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Well... how do the effects differ? They are two distict chemicals, correct? Being closely related, but not the same... right? Which is better? WHY DON'T WE HAVE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTH?  WARNING: DO NOT INGEST ANY BOTANICAL WHICH YOU HAVE NOT FULLY RESEARCHED AND CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED!!!I am Teotzlcoatl, older cousin of Quetzalcoatl. My most famous physical incarnation was Nezahualcoyotl, but I have taken many forms since the dawn of the cosmos. In this realm I manifest as multiple entities at a single time. I am many, I am numbered. I am few, but more than one. I am a multifaceted being, a winged serpent with many heads. We are Teotzlcoatl. "We Are The One's We've Been Waiting For" - Hopi Proverb
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Please see 69ron's post for the various beta-carbolines http://www.dmt-nexus.me/....aspx?g=posts&t=2008Tetrahydroharman is actually a 6-MeO-tetrahydroharmine, and is suspected to be potent. No cheap sources of tetrahydroharman exist however so it has not been widely assayed. But this may be due to change in the future. EDIT: Elaeagnus angustifolia may actually be a really good source of beta-carbolines. The Bark of the tree is a rich source of alkaloids. According to Duke's Ethnobotanical database the badk contains the beta carbolines: 2-METHYL-1,2,3,4-TETRAHYDRO-BETA-CARBOLINE N(B)-METHYL-TETRAHYDROHARMOL TETRAHYDROHARMAN and TETRAHYDROHARMOL The bark on the other hand contains some other alkaloids as well. None however with spurious or toxic activities. Need to calculate between salts and freebases? Click here! Need to calculate freebase or salt percentage at a given pH? Click here!
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Teotzlcoatl
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This is most interesting! WARNING: DO NOT INGEST ANY BOTANICAL WHICH YOU HAVE NOT FULLY RESEARCHED AND CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED!!!I am Teotzlcoatl, older cousin of Quetzalcoatl. My most famous physical incarnation was Nezahualcoyotl, but I have taken many forms since the dawn of the cosmos. In this realm I manifest as multiple entities at a single time. I am many, I am numbered. I am few, but more than one. I am a multifaceted being, a winged serpent with many heads. We are Teotzlcoatl. "We Are The One's We've Been Waiting For" - Hopi Proverb
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this plant needs to be grown next spring! it will thrive on my balcony! I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees. I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues. And I'm asking you, sir, at the top if my lungs.. (all posts are fictional and are intended for entertainment purpose only)
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SWIM bumped into this and would like to mention that Elaeagnus angustifolia is also known as Russian Olive and is found in 46 states (it's an invasive species). This should be particularly interesting to people who do not have a readily available source of Rue or Passion Flower. If anybody has a bioassay or an extraction tek please tell us about it. By the way if SWIM read the article correctly this is the only natural source of tetrahydroharman. I'm mad as a hatter and a compulsive liar.
Nothing I say is true or should be mistaken for the truth.
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