I don't know whether or not anybody on this forum has asked this question before but here it goes.

When looking up the prices of all the various herbs and plants and how much it takes to make one brew it seems like it's out of my price range at this point in time.

Can anybody give me some tips on how to do this without spending too much money?

Tonym

What are you trying to do?

To do a proper extraction, you need the proper materials. If you cannot afford it at this time, maybe you can at another time. Or maybe you know someone you can work together with.

I would like to find a substitute for mj but also experience something more powerful and enlightening.

N,N-Dimethyltryptamine is far from a substitute for cannabis, my friend.

Beware, you are getting into another reality. This goes far beyond the word drug.

Perhaps mushrooms could be your answer. They are relativly easy to grow, or you could even pick some for free. Still, they aren't a substitute for MJ either. If you want to experience something differe eg. a real psychedelic, I would read about it more. House is right...n,n is serious business.

Good point obliguhl. If you have never consumed psilocybe mushrooms, learn to properly ID them or they can be grown cheaply and easily. This is definitely a good idea before diving face first into Hyperspace.

I hope you don't get the wrong idea.

I do understand that these things are a lot different than mj.

I have done LSD and other things so I do understand this.

My problem is that I have to give up mj to take a drug test.

But I have always been interested in these things for years now but I just had no idea where I can get these things because because all my friends that I have now are not into any of these things and I'm not a college kid.

Can't these things be done in a slow manner and slowly increase instead of jumping right in to a full-blown experience?

I've seen Amanita pills on the Internet. Has anybody tried that?

If you are looking for alternative highs...I can safely say that DMT, and amanita muscaria, are not what you are looking for.

Why did you suggest psilocybe mushrooms?

Probably because they contain psilocin, which is 4-HO-DMT.
It's a psychedelic compound similar to N,N- but not quite as intense.
Recommended prior to N,N-DMT.

Amanita Muscaria contains muscimol, which causes delirium.

Like I said.... I've been wanting to try these things for years now.

It has nothing to do with not being able to use mj.

I have to disagree. A low dose amanita has a mild, enjoyable high imho. I'm talking about 1-2g here.



Certainly, but you never know how far one hit will take you, because the strength of the experience is not entirely dose dependent.

I still have not completely understood what you are seeking? A drug that makes you kinda high and feel good...or a psychedelic, bound to shatter your world ? This forum is mostly about the last group of substances.

OK, well it just seemed from your posts that you can't smoke cannabis so you are looking for something else to use to keep yourself from being sober.
We see this often on the forum. DMT will literally kick your ass for assuming you can do this. I am just giving you a heads up because like I said, we see this from time to time.

Anyway, it seems like nothing is going to stop you from experiencing hyperspace. I have given you my advice and cautions. Best of luck to you.


P.s. obliguhl lucky you man. I have never had a good time with muscaria. People claim the US muscarias are different from the Euro ones, the euro ones being more enjoyable. I have no idea why this is, though. I can safely say I will never consume another USA Amanita in my life!

I do appreciate the advice and I will take it seriously. Though it seems like you are discouraging people from trying these things?

Interesting...did you eat the red muscaria or the pantherina specimen?
I have to admit to not having a ton of experiences with the muscarias, but so far, low dses have been pleasant, dreamy and comforting. Perhaps a little like kratom.



No, he is encouraging responsible use. Trusst me, he knows whats up and he just does not want you to get hurt.

I discourage you doing DMT in replace of cannabis. This is not a drug we are talking about here. It is, and it isn't. It's hard for you to fathom because you have never seen it first hand. Doing DMT because you can't smoke cannabis is not exactly the right intentions in my humble opinion. I have already pointed out what happens when people attempt this. Personally, you are talking to someone who wants to see more people smoking DMT. I just want to make sure that people know what they are getting themselves into before they do. You see what I mean?

On the other hand, it is quite possible that DMT could help you get over any addiction you had to cannabis. In one single trip it could show you everything you thought you knew was wrong. It has a funny way of doing that.

If you can gather the funds, execute some chemistry. If not, how about you stay away from substances for a while and save some money? It's OK to be sober sometimes.


P.s. obli they were the red muscarias, USA version. I would love to try the euro pantherinas sometime in conjunction with LSD like rOm did. That report still sticks with me...

At the risk of being repetitive/derivative of previous posts, there's no substitute for cannabis. If one must abstain I would suggest a program of good nutrition and food and a lot of fluids. Why not ensure that the test is a guaranteed pass, the first time and get healthier in the process?

By way of exploring other things, I would suggest that materials that offer reality obliterating, convincing, ego-destroying, 3-D visions, should be saved for later explorations. Things like Salvia and DMT.

If you have tried LSD and have interests in these areas, I would suggest investing in a small mushroom grow kit (inexpensive, easy, fun and a nice dip into waters that are chemically similar to DMT), perhaps trying Amanita Muscara (though I did not find them to be anything I ever wanted to repeat), working with harmala plants such as b. caapi or for the more austere budget, syrian rue. One can conduct extractions with rue using materials as simple as water and heat to concentrate and clean up (a bit) the material.

For relaxation before bed, I would recommend kava kava.

There's also the cactus/mescaline route. I found a potted San Pedro that was two cactii at a hardware store recently. They are fairly thick and the total length is close to two feet. I could eat or extract them immediately, though I have decided to grow them.

YOu have a lot of options if you cannot smoke mj. First is to understand as you appear to that there is no substitute, so why not start to walk/run and eat fruit during this time, or similar? Next thing is to look to the plant world. It is safest and cheapest. Also so satisfying to grow and/or extract one's own.

Maybe eventually mixing low dose DMT plant(s) with the rue to caapi in the future for an ayahuasca or aya admixture type of brew. Then, ultimately, if you still want to go deeper, look into such things as freebase DMT or a big salvia trip or iboga or similar.

Hope this helps a bit.

This doesn't seem like a mind blowing experience?

like I said... I've been asking around for many years now about mushrooms but everyone that I have ever asked said they had no idea where to get these things.

So it doesn't really have to do with giving up mj.