so usualy, i put my dmt in a "crack pipe" with a bed of herb or ash and a screen. i put the jet lighter to outside of the pipe and let it heat up and melt the dmt and vapour is released.

however, i keep the flame at the liquid to keep the heat up and increase vapour.

does it sound like im doing it right? havnt broken through yet, working up to that one, but does it sound like im getting the technique right?

I don't think a crack pipe(glass rose I assume?) is a good tool to vaporize DMT with. I have very great success with vaporizing DMT in an oil burner, and find breaking through pretty easy with this tool.

I don't think you're supposed to use a bed of herb in a freebase pipe. I've smoked with a herb sandwich, but it was in a relatively normal weed pipe. I've also smoked with a freebase pipe, but only with the DMT in there, and then the trick is to vary the temperature of the melted liquid by moving the flame around. Hot enough to vape, but not so hot it burns. And take your time upon first heating it up, let it melt, and when you start seeing a bit of vapor, then inhale and attack a bit more with the flame, though always carefully, caressing the glass under the liquid. Or, use the sandwich method, lighting the top herbs and smoking them down, letting the heat of the embers boil down the DMT.

I may be wrong though - it may be that some people use herbs in the freebase pipe like you do.

I assume you talk of a typical glass bulb style pipe? like one of these at the bottom of my post?

If so, then you shouldnt be adding any ash or herb in there, just drop the spice in there and heat it up slowly. When I used one of em pipes, I found that a torch lighter was much moar effective at heating up the spice, you have so much moar control over the heat. bic lighters will often burn the spice with one of em bulbs.

thats the kind of pipe, yeah.

ok, so general consensus is no herb, let it melt and then tickle it with the heat till vapour begins to rise and inhale from there.

once again, thanks for the help everyone.

ill post results on how the new refined technique goes when i next give the spice a go

Thought i would write in here rather than create a new thread. ( hopefully that's ok )

Tonight, my friend will also be vaping some spice for the first time.

He's had changa before in a bong and tonight he has the choice of using a pipe like the picture in this thread, or another cheap bulb like device.

I guess he just want's some sort of clarification and further tips for ensuring that he will do it right and break through. ( he has made his peace with the possibility of not breaking through, but sees no reason why it shouldn't be possible.

Really hoping for beginners luck here.

I guess the main question is, what's the best method of inhaling and managing to keep it down? small hits but many, or a few big hits but slowly? and how 'harsh' and hot is the vapour likely to be compared to when smoking in a bong?

And, his scales don't seem to be working either, but i've read that its hard to smoke 'too much' of it, as you'll be well on your way before you have the chance to finish the reaming spice if you've already had what you need from it.

I guess these are all things he's going to have to experiment with to find the best method, but again, really hoping to avoid wasting any of it.

We shall see, and embrace any outcome

Many small hits will make a breakthrough unlikely.
A few big hits, held for a reasonable amount of time, but taken in quick succession, is more likely to lead to a breakthrough.

I wouldn't necessarily aim for a breakthrough on a first experience. You'll get there when you get there.

Good luck.

I have something like that glass pipe and use a stove lighter but it makes the glass all black. It does not burn clean. So I can't see very well what goes on. I rather not keep it above it or I'll be inhaling that black sooth.

I don't know. I am worried. I haven't broken through. When that happens, will I even have time to put the glass down. And it is very hot! And dirty. Let it slip to the floor? Not sure if that is wise.

Maybe lie in bed with a towel so that it won't burn the sheets and if u drop it it will not matter.

I have such a pipe as well and I too just vaporize without herb. A torchlighter is so much better than a regular bic lighter. Much more effective flame and you can aim the heat better at the pipe.

I usually load up the pipe, aim the flame at the pipe directly until the spice melts, place it on my lips while keep heating. I then slowly start to inhale while gently rolling the flame around underneath the pipe and regularly aim it away from the pipe. I'm still working on the best method, it's a matter of experimenting with how much heat to apply. I'm slowly increase it so I don't burn it.

Get a torch lighter. They're hotter, more efficient and don't cause any byproducts to stick to your bowl. And no fumes from the flame.

My experience with it is that big hits are a lot better than small hits, it will hit you faster and make the build up less intense. If you are aiming for a comfortable breakthrough I would say, depending on how efficient your smoking it, 2 to 3 nice big hits will suffice. Regarding how harsh it can be, if you are vaping it very nicely it should not be harsh at all, but I have tried vaping very insufficiently before and it turned out to be quiet harsh at time. The best thing to do is keep in the hit as long as you can, and smoke until you feel like its enough.

When vapor starts to appear I inhale as much as I can. The first drag is ok, the second too, but the third, as I inhale, it goes in a shocking way. My body is then already feeling the effects.

But as you keep in the vapor, more is already being released and it goes to waste. I take the flame away as I inhale the first load...but a lot seems to be wasted cause I hold it in. I guess it needs practise.

Can't beat a gvg!
Machine is great too.
The meth pipe like you mention is too hard to regulate the heat and causes it to burn or slips to the sides.

Yes it does
Would it be possible to keep toking by pumping out the vapor as it is released ? Just a few little tokes to clear the vapour...

But maybe the problem is overthinking, at least that was mine. As soon as I relaxed about the whole breakthrough thing, it just went smooth and... I broke through.

If at all possible, it's obviously best to take it all in in single inhalation and kept inside over 10 seconds. I find it highly effective(as I'm sure many others here too) and could not imagine taking another hit, due to the simple fact that by exhalation I'm already in hyperspace!

This^^. I feel that doing it this way launches you harder rather than taking a few puffs. Their is no waste this way if you do it correctly. I just hold it in, not for a certain amount of time. Just hold it till you lose sight. You will automatically exhale and start breathing after you leave your body. I believe this ensure's you get your entire dose in your lungs AND absorb all of it.

I use a bulb meth pipe in an acrylic bong with a thumb carb. I use a butane torch a few inches away. My distance fluctuates according to how well it's vaping. Once you do it this way and have it down I believe you wouldn't do it any other way. It is so smooth it's sometimes hard to tell I am holding anything in my lungs at all lol.

If you don't heat it too much the oils won't vaporize and will be the only thing left. They Vape at a slightly different temp than dmt I believe.

youll know if youre vaping right... the walls such they be, would be crawling with geometric hallucinations...