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Morning Glory CWE Specifics and Ergot Alkaloid Solubility Options
 
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#1 Posted : 3/18/2011 11:38:30 PM

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If you ever searched the interwebs for how to do a CWE on MG's, you should have had no problem finding it. It's just a cold water extraction. What's so hard about it? Nothing right?

What I can't understand is why there's so much variation and ambiguity for this method. No one agrees about the precise time to let the seed/water mixture sit. Even worse, nobody mentions what ratio of seeds to water to use. One tek said .5 liter to 8g of seeds. That's pretty specific, but everyone else just says something like, "I put the crushed seeds in a cup of water". What does this mean!?!

I can't believe that others haven't demanded more specificty before.

I have done a few CWE's before. The first two were with relatively small amounts of Rivea corymbosa. I had no problems just using a reasonable amount of water cuz of the small amount being extracted. With my last extraction, though, I used 20g of heavenly blue seeds which I counted individually and turned out to be a little over 500 seeds.

I put the ground seeds in nearly a liter of water. Let it sit for at least two hours while periodically shaking. This yielded an extremely dark brown mixture, so I repeated the previous steps two more times. The last pull was much lighter in color so I was satisfied and ended the extraction.

The problem is that I was left with like 3/4 of a gallon of muddy water to drink. I have drank larger amounts of things before so I thought I'd have no problem. I had no major nausea which was good. The thing is that it took over four hours for the effects to kick in and I had a monumental case of the shits. Apparently, my body didn't like that much muddy water, so it decided to let the liquid bypass the normal route of excretion and go straight to my bowel.

I assume that most of the muddiness is just unnecessary gunk, nut how much water is optimal to ensure that (if possible) all of the alkaloids are extracted?
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#2 Posted : 3/21/2011 12:28:27 AM

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I can't tell you what you need to know in terms of measurements and specifics, so I am really of no help in that department. I've never had any luck with a cold water extraction of morning glory personally, I have had strong, beautiful experiences from bravely eating about 14 gs of ground seed raw a few times. But those were vasoconstricting, nauseating experiences aswell. Anyway, the only way I can really be of help was that SWIMS friend had success with a cold water extraction but I remember him mentioning that he performed the whole procedure under very little light because of lysergic amides being sensitive to it. I can't actually testify on whether that's necessary though.
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#3 Posted : 3/21/2011 5:33:43 PM

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Important Points in a Morning Glory CWE

Avoid light

Avoid heat

Use distilled water (de-ionised water) as the alkaloids are sensitive to chlorides and all the shit in tap water

Use as much water as you want but going over 500ml isn't a good idea, to reduce the amount you have to drink what you could do is evaporate your liquid. To do this do the following:

1. Get a syringe, eyedropper or turkey baster, whatever Very happy BIGGER IS BETTER THOUGH

2. Make your room as dark as possible, you need to be able to see what you're doing though.

3. Get a big, wide, glass dish, like a pie dish or something.

4. Use your syringe-thing to move a small amount of your liquid to your wide dish.

5. It will evaporate.

6. Repeat step 4 and then 5 over and over again.

7. There, you don't have much liquid to drink now, you have morning glory alkaloids in a concentrated solution.
 
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#4 Posted : 3/22/2011 6:13:25 PM

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Seraph wrote:


Use as much water as you want but going over 500ml isn't a good idea, to reduce the amount you have to drink what you could do is evaporate your liquid. To do this do the following:

1. Get a syringe, eyedropper or turkey baster, whatever Very happy BIGGER IS BETTER THOUGH

2. Make your room as dark as possible, you need to be able to see what you're doing though.

3. Get a big, wide, glass dish, like a pie dish or something.

4. Use your syringe-thing to move a small amount of your liquid to your wide dish.

5. It will evaporate.

6. Repeat step 4 and then 5 over and over again.

7. There, you don't have much liquid to drink now, you have morning glory alkaloids in a concentrated solution.


How long would this take? I have heard that it is not a good idea to let the extraction sit for too long.
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