HI!

There's a bit of spice which is a few months old, and has turned yellow, brown, and has hardened and turned crusty, and it tates bad. I'm not sure if it's less active. Could one put this yellow spice in with naptha, then do the fasw mix to get dmt-fumarate?

This leads to a general question about dmt fumarate. If you do the fasw or fasa method with pure white nn-dmt, would you get the same end product compared to using oxidized dmt with fasw? THANKS!!!!!!

if you started with dmt n-oxide you would end up with dmt n-oxide fumarate.

If you want to reduce your dmt n-oxide back to n,n-dmt you need a different procedure. You use elemental zinc powder.... there are a few threads about this. try searching for zinc in the advanced chemistry section.

hmmm, thanks.

How do you know it’s DMT n-oxide? I’ve never heard of DMT turning “brown, hard and crusty” and tasting bad as a result. Are you sure your DMT was pure to begin with? Maybe some contaminant is reacting and causing the changes. How did you store your DMT? If properly stored (airtight vial in a freezer) it should remain fresh and active for years.

oh yeah it does happen that pure dmt can get darker in colour with time.. DMT ALWAYS tastes bad, btw (though I dont know if the bad Im saying is the same as what youre saying).

It would make sense that it means some dmt has become oxidized, but dmt n-oxide is an oil, so unless it has become pure oil, then most of it must be intact, maybe just an outer layer is oxidized. (either way, just real analysis would tell for sure what it is)

I have smoked dmt that was years old and it was perfectly fine, I couldnt tell the difference between it and fresh dmt.

But yeah I think its important to consider what gilbran2 is saying too.. Is it possible you have used some solvent/chemicals that left some nasty reacting contaminants?

ok, good, that means at least that it should still be active. In my experience, the taste does change with the color. It becomes more bitter the more brown it gets. It's not a dark brown, just a yellow kind of brown. It doesn't taste like solvent, just bitter, and has a stronger smell. When the dmt is freshly made, and white, it doesn't taste bad. But then when it ages and turns color it develops a bitter taste. It's just stored at room temperature. I think I'll fumarate from now on.