can someone help me out on this one? phalaris grass chopped mixed with part white vinager part water sat for a day, filtered out grass, then added water/lime mix shook let settle, added naptha placed in warm bath for four hours, siphoned off naptha into sealed jar and placed in freezer for a day, nothing........what went wrong??

lol..what went wrong??..wouldnt we all love to know..

You should gte some experience with Mimosa or reliable and easy sources before you go out on THAT limb..

water/lime mixture? lime is poorly soluble in water, that could be a problem... If using a wet tek (i.e. an acqueous solution containing the alkaloid/plant/base mix), you have to use another base such as lye. lime should only be used for dry teks (where the plant material is dry-mixed with the lime and only very small amount of water is added to make a paste).

another possibility is that you used too much naphtha and that the plant has very little alkaloids, so the naphtha might not have been saturated enough and when putting in the freezer, it didnt crash out. Next time maybe use significantly less naphtha, mix it for longer and maybe also pre-evap before freezing. Or try evaporating instead of freezing and seeing what youre left with

yet another possibility (related to the last one mentioned because it would eventually mean less alks in the naphta) is that just doing one acidic soak and filtering is not very effective in taking out a significant amount of the alkaloids, that boiling the acidic solution with the plant material and straining, and adding more acidic solution and straining again, for a total of 3x, and only then basing it, would get more alkaloids.

another possibility is that there isnt any (or very very little) dmt in your phalaris in the first place.

thanks, ya im thinking i should have done a dry tek the lime did not mix well with the water at all even though it seemed fine because the ph was close (using red cabbage litmus lol) im going to try evaporating tonight and see what comes up, ill keep you posted. btw the only reason i was using phalaris was i cant find a site for mimosa the only ones i trust were sold out! if anyone knows a trusted site it would be much appreciated

So the naptha was evaporated and I was left with an empty plate once I can find some mh I will try my luck again and study in the meantime