hey guys so yesterday SWIM's first attempt at smoking pau/mullein/jimjam spice(1:1:1) for SHE resulted in a failure. it was his first time smoking spice and nothing happened He knows my smoking technique was correct so he doesn't think it was that. He smoked out of a glass measuring pipette, and touched the changa with the flame for only a second. the first time nothing happened within a minute, so he loaded up the pipette twice more with another ~75mg each time...again nothing happened. So his guess is that something went wrong in the extraction process.

So can someone please help SWIM narrow down what went wrong in his extraction. Let me explain his procedure:
at first SWIM was doing a BLAB, and had beautiful fumarate precipitates, but when he was trying to convert it to freebase, he misread the conversion tek, and accidentally put ~.7gm of sodium carbonate into a water solution that contained ~.5gm spice fumarate, instead of a concentrated alkaline solution. So then in attempt to compensate for his mistake he added some more water to the solution. after 3 days, the freebase spice fumarate didn't precipitate at all. So then he was like aggghhh goddamit, and added some more sodium carbonate to the solution to make it more basic (pH~13), and pulled with naptha (first pull), and then limo (second pull). the changa he made was from only the second pull (limo). he evaporated the limo this time, and was left with an amber oil which he figured was mostly dmt-oxide, and jungle. he dissolved this oil in 99%IPA, and added some pau/mullein to make the changa. he had a smile on his face everytime he looked at this changa..until he smoked it
So can someone help SWIM figure out what the reason of the failed launch could be please..

anyone..?
this will help me figure out my mistake so i don't repeat it. i'm still not sure if i messed up in extraction process or my smoking technique.
I also need to know if whether my remaining enhanced leaf is useless or not

What happened to the naphtha from the first pull?
It probably contains most of the actives.
The limonene picks up other non actives as well and your evap'ed portion might contain only these.

Just smoke the changa out of any normal smoking apparatus without much worry about technique...even if you end up destroying some of the dmt you will still get some, hopefully. Then you will at least know if it contains any.

Also, this is a wild hypothesis, but the mullein could be responsible. I have heard of no other reports, but I have had a few experiences where mullein almost completely blocked any effects of the dmt. This sounds absurd, I know, but something strange definitely occurred.

thanks for the reply eden when i freeze-precipitated the naptha i did get ~0.3gm white spice, but then i let this powder sit on a foil under the lamp to dry out for too long, and it melted onto the foil. so then i re-dissolved the melted spice in some more naptha, so that i may be able to obtain it in powder form again (another mistake, considering the options i had). i could have dissolved it in IPA and prepare changa, or frozen it in freezer, but that just didn't occur to a noob like me. So then when i tried to freeze-precip again, to restore the spice in powder form..this is weird..it never precipitated again, even after 4 days. the amount of naptha was low (~150ml), so it was saturated, right..? do you know why this happened?


i don't have any more of that same spice in "non-changa" form, so i can't test that hypothesis, but i will when i have some more.

from your reply, i'm guessing that my smoking technique wasn't at fault, since the flame only touched the changa for a second or two. which leaves me with the conclusion that the limo didn't have any actives in it, due to the first naptha pull, like you mentioned. i did think that there should have been some oxides, and jungle left in it tho, right..? why didn't this happen, anybody know?

I REALLY think its the smoking technique, for sure the limo would have actives it the mimosa had actives.

The other thing to notice is your changa is weak.... 2:1 plant : dmt is not enough, it should be 1:1...

In any case, get a vaporgenie or try smoking out of the bong. Load up 150mg of your changa (equivalent to 50mg actives).. Take each hit slow and steady, holding in the lungs as much as possible. Report back if it worked or not

If the flame only touched for a second, I have no clue how you could have destroyed enough dmt to the point it wasn't effective at all. Unless you cherried absurdly quickly.

I have a few batches of 2:1 changa for hiking and continuous smoking and even a single hit gets me somewhere.
For 2:1, just load up a full bowl and take it until you have had enough. It's an easy way to become acquainted with candyland.

i don't think the changa's weak since it was 1:1, but the spice was just an amber waxy oil, composed of only oxides and jungle, so maybe that's why it could've been weak.


broke to even afford a good bong right now, so i'm gonna make my own soon. Also since you now mentioned that i should load 150mg, my dosage was quite low in comparison. So i'll give it a shot soon, and report back if it worked or not with ~150mg. thanks a lot endless!


hmm..i didnt know that the bowl's not supposed to be cherried quickly. i thought while cherried, the burning temperatures are not reached to kill the dmt. so now that you point that out, i must admit that it was windy since i was smoking outdoors, and i had to cherry it quickly since the bowl didn't stay lit for long due to the wind. also, after every hit, i had to flame the bowl again (though only for a second). So in retrospect, it very well could have been my smoking technique. i will definitely give this another shot without repeating my mistakes and see where it takes me...i'm hoping that candyland you mentioned. you have no idea how curiously eager i am. thanks once again Eden!

From the info provided, your changa appears to be a 2:1 ratio of herbs to spice.
1:1:1 of two herbs and spice = 1 part mullein + 1 part pau d'arko + 1 part spice = 2 parts herb + 1 part spice = 2:1 herbs:spice

Any updates? You given it another go yet? I'm looking forward to reading the report from your first successful experience

hey snozzle not given it another go yet; plan to do it in 2-3 days since i'm busy studying for my examinations. and my spice was actually 1:1:2. i just wrote 1:1, to denote the 50% even ratio of combined herbs and the 50% spice.
right now i'm also preparing some Honey Spice enhanced leaf (1part pau:2parts honey spice). it's pretty much done too, so i'll report back my experiences with both

Woah, don't know how I completely missed that honey spice thread!
Thanks for bringing it to attention...I'm gonna need to try that out.
Good luck on your exams.