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alzabo
#1 Posted : 5/27/2010 7:18:44 AM

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I have a concept for a technique and am hoping that others might give me some feedback on anything that might be tweaked a bit.

A simple cold water tek for oral mimosaroo:

The following is formulated to yield a single dose.

1.) Add 10g powdered MHRB to a container such as a mason jar.
2.) Cover generously with water, rising about an inch above the mimosa powder.
3.) Add dilute phosphoric acid until the PH falls to 2.5.
4.) Let stand for 12 hours. Optionally place the jar on top of a vibrating electric massager to aid in spice dispersall.
5.) Strain liquid through a gold filter and then a paper filter. Discard expended powder.
6.) Place liquid into a small pyrex pot.
7.) Place on stove and and heat to just below simmering.
8.) Slowly stir in gelatin. The gelatin reacts with the tannins and solidifies out of the solution. When it stops solidifying and the solution turns from clear to milky, stop adding gelatin.
9.) Pour liquid out of the pot.
10.) Clean the gelatin/tannin globs from the pot.
11.) Pour the liquid back into the pot.
12.) Add 30mg of 10x syrian rue extract to the pot and stir till dissolved.
13.) Simmer the contents down, reducing the heat as a resin is formed. Keep on low heat until completely crusty.
14.) Scrape the crust out of the pot and place into gel caps.

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#2 Posted : 5/27/2010 10:22:00 PM

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I'm editing this because it is now posted in the "Basic Chemistry" thread.

Please make all replies that directly respond to this post there.

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Can anyone help me modify this tek to be used without ph meauring?
I'm wondering, what percentage of phosphoric acid should be added to an aqueas solution in order for that solution to have a ph of 2.5 (or any other arbitrary ph for that matter).
For example, if someone had distilled water and a 25% phosphoric acid solution, then how many milliliters of the phosphoric acid solution (P) should be added to how many milliliters of the distilled water (W) to yield a given constant of acidified water at a speficic ph?

P+W = desired milliliters
.25*(P)+0*(W) == (?)*(P+W)

Does this make sense? I almost feel like I'm making it too complicated.
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#3 Posted : 5/29/2010 6:17:34 AM

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A couple additional questions:

1.) My hypothesis is that 30mg of 10x Syrian Rue crude extract would be enough to potentiate one's absorbtion of the extracted alkaloids to the full degree. Any subjective/experiential change brought on by more syrian rue 10x crude extract would be due to the direct effects of the rue and not to the mimosa alkaloids.

This question is in part related to the Pharmahuasca sticky. Here is a link to and an exerpt from the relevant part of that thread:

Pharmahuasca » Pharmahuasca (post #79)

TheTraveler wrote:
SanMan wrote:
If SWIM wanted to make some caps with Syrian Rue 10x extract and some caps with 150mg DMT freebase to take 20 or 30 min. apart, how much Syrian Rue extract would he use? Or is this not a good route to take at all?



With rue 10x extract I would only use about 10mg, 20mg utmost. I would take the rue capsule first and then 10 mins later the DMT with only 100mg of DMT in it.


2.) Would a cold water extraction of powdered MHRB using phosphoric acid result in more Full Spectrum Spice or more Pure DMT?
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#4 Posted : 5/29/2010 8:55:44 AM

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as for the first post: dont do only one soak on the mimosa, this way you'll be losing a lot of alkaloids. Do at least 2, ideally 3, and better add some heat there, so simmer instead of soak is better. Only a pure non-acidified water extract will yield you a product with yuremamine, because it is sensitive to acidic conditions. In any case, a warm acidic extraction will still yield you more than just dmt, it will also yield you dmt n-oxide as well as small amounts of a secondary alkaloid (2-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-beta-carboline). So yeah you could call that 'full spectrum' I guess, if you are using this expression in the same sense people use it to describe the product that is yielded from limonene/xylene extractions

secondly, as for the syrian rue extract, I think trav has got it mixed up in that post. A syrian rue 10x extract should be 10x more potent than the seeds, not 10x more potents than the alkaloids. It wouldnt make sense to be 10x more potent than the pure alkaloids as they are as strong as it gets (what would the extract be then, super-alkaloids? lol Very happy ). So basically from my understanding, if a dosage of rue is around 3,5g, then from a 10x extract one would take 350mg for a dose.
 
 
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