Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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This is really the only way to work with changa ISHO... just working with caapi leaf will do... but this is so much more preferred. making 10x caapi leaf is very simple... take 100gms of caapi leaf, vine can also be added. or vine can be used alone, up to you. Vine enhanced caapi leaf is a good mix as well. place in gallon mason jar add IPA or 99% ethanol or everclear to the top of leaf, making sure it is totally covered. let soak for a min. time of 2 weeks. longer the better. no need to go longer then a month really. Keep in a cool dark place. strain and then take 10 grams of fresh leaf or ten grams from what was strained if you used all of your fresh leaf and soak it in the menstruum. men·stru·um (mnstr-m) n. pl. men·stru·ums or men·stru·a (-str-) A solvent, especially one used in extracting compounds from plant and animal tissues and preparing drugs. The Menstruum is amazing... it will turn from green to red in exposure to sunlight. it will look bloody in the light and green in the shade.... its just amazing. Take this menstruum and the 10 gms of leaf or your other herbal smoking herbs and evap in a rice cooker. Rice cookers seem to work the fastest and easiest. Evap down to a small amount of menstruum. The menstruum will appear very green and resiny take this and pour it into a small pyrex cup/dish and place in food dehydrator. evap until dry. the end result will be this amazing dark seaweed green shiny snake skin. you will have 10gms of 10x caapi leaf. This caapi leaf will yeild with each 1gm unit 10gms of caapi leaf concentrate. Thus a 10x caapi leaf. a 20x caapi leaf would be 200 gms being used to make 10 grams of leaf concentrate and so on... theres no need to go over that though... your doing everything you need with just 10x concentrate. Anything more would be a waste. I will not be surprised to see companies selling this soon just as a base... I would also nto be surprised to see people selling the blends we have on the site online with out spice added to it... Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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Making infused leaf can be done with other harmala extracts as well... a simple syrian rue seed enhanced leaf can be made in much the same way... using MUCH less seed. The menstruum can then be added to say mullien or Pau`darco what ever you like to work with, lotus flowers what ever. Passion flower as well can be made in a similar way. My suggestion there would be however to just go to the health food store buy some passion flower extract and then evap the whole bottle onto 1 gram of smoking material. Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Posts: 4804 Joined: 08-Dec-2008 Last visit: 18-Aug-2023 Location: UK
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I've noticed how the green solvent has red light shine through it. I thought that was pretty cool Awesome idea this.
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Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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its pretty amazing... blood red then dragon green... Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Why is acetone not recommended here?
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Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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Why would you need to use acetone? With ethanol it is very less toxic, and you can do the same thing with it as Ace. SWIM does not use acetone much, and does not see the point when you have etoh. Evaping that much ace as well would require a lot of ventilation and it would be nasty... evaping ethanol is not that bad even in a lesser ventilated area... Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Posts: 12 Joined: 05-Aug-2009 Last visit: 12-Sep-2010 Location: The slopes
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Hey I was wondering what else could be used besides the rice cooker? I'm not too familiar with how they work. Also, any replacements for the food dehydrator? Thanks, great post.
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Posts: 4804 Joined: 08-Dec-2008 Last visit: 18-Aug-2023 Location: UK
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I prepare my leaf by covering the leaves with just enough solvent to cover everyday and letting it slowly evap at a little bit at a time.
The rice cooker would just speed things up... a lot.
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Posts: 12 Joined: 05-Aug-2009 Last visit: 12-Sep-2010 Location: The slopes
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Also 1:1 ratio is 1g spice to 1g caapi leaves? That seems like quite a lot for a beginner who's only had 1 breakthrough. I haven't wanted to dive all the way back in since. I'm really interested in smoking again now and still have some left over spice. I'll extract more if i have too but I'm definitely trying changa, the straight spice in between some parsley was pretty shocking. My first experience was very powerful but too jumbled to really make sense of it... hopefully this will be more of a smooth ride.
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Posts: 1052 Joined: 18-Jan-2008 Last visit: 29-Jun-2017 Location: Earth, of course??
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Dorge wrote:I will not be surprised to see companies selling this soon just as a base... I would also nto be surprised to see people selling the blends we have on the site online with out spice added to it... I'm looking forward to it. "Within your heart is a lotus, and within this lotus is a diamond. This diamond is the source of creation, and in all the creation, there is only one lotus."
"Only from the Heart can you touch the sky." ~ Rumi
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Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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hashmoney wrote:Also 1:1 ratio is 1g spice to 1g caapi leaves? That seems like quite a lot for a beginner who's only had 1 breakthrough. I haven't wanted to dive all the way back in since. I'm really interested in smoking again now and still have some left over spice. I'll extract more if i have too but I'm definitely trying changa, the straight spice in between some parsley was pretty shocking. My first experience was very powerful but too jumbled to really make sense of it... hopefully this will be more of a smooth ride. 1:1 ratio of spice and leaf will leave you with 2gm of material... meaning each gm of leaf will have 500mg of spice on it... each gram there for can be kicked down to about 20 or hits aprox... its not a lot for a beginner there for to take 1 gram and break it up into 20 little piles to smoke. Also there is no reason to have to do with with a food dehydrator or a rice cooker... IF you figure out a better way to do... from swims point of view... this way is the best... Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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it is very nice how it goes red under a light yet is green normally.. incredible!
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Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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blood and chlorophyll. its life.... life life life.... Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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RUN DMT
Posts: 477 Joined: 28-Nov-2009 Last visit: 29-Jan-2023 Location: The Infinite Hotel
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sweeeeeet!!! Nice one Dorge man. I always wondered how to make this, seems straight forward too. Would salvia be done this way as well? This'll be the next little project I'll attempt... I reckon some nice blends will come out of this. Cheers "accept the possibility that you may never come back, then your mind is truly open." ____________________________________________________________________________________
The playful ballad of the sacred salad.
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Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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This is also how 10x salvia is made... Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Made 10x caapi/chaliponga in this manner. Soaked it for a month, evapped onto 1g caapi/1g chali. Smoked prior to spice it was far too powerful for me. Suspect 5-MEO was in the mix somewhere, so be careful of that one. Caapi on it's own is probably a better bet. "at journey's end, we must begin again"
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Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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SWIM has done this as well. SWIM doesnt think its too powerful, but it is really interesting, in that it seems to dirrectly bring about a clear light experience in all that smoke. Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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RUN DMT
Posts: 477 Joined: 28-Nov-2009 Last visit: 29-Jan-2023 Location: The Infinite Hotel
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hmm.. interesting on the chali. Might give that one a go seen as I dont really pick anything up from it in straight changa. "accept the possibility that you may never come back, then your mind is truly open." ____________________________________________________________________________________
The playful ballad of the sacred salad.
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Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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its interesting... Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Posts: 322 Joined: 05-Jul-2009 Last visit: 14-Jul-2024
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IT occurred to me that if Caapi leaf has 1% harmala alkaloids, then one could make a 10X leaf by dissolving 100 mg Freebase cappi harmalas with 1 gram of caapi leaf. Then add that with one's full range spice. I have read up to 2% however may be present in leaf. If this is true, then 10X leaf would have 200mg harmalas per gram. Interesting...
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