HI! I was just wondering why so many people smoke dmt, instead of eating it. I mean, why take a 5 minute trip if you can take a two hour trip? Is it just time constraints? Just wondering.

why not? I think most people here do both.

The exact same question have passed my mind often... I don't often smoke it, as the trip is so intense and short-lived that I can't make much sense of it. I don't gain nearly as much wisdom I may integrate if I smoke it as if I eat it. Then again, smoking can be wonderful if you just want a short visit to hyperspace.

I believe most in here both smoke it and eat it. I guess the people who only smoke it does not care about integrating their experiences into everyday life, they might just want to travel, not learn. Then again, maybe other people are better at integrating short-lived trips than I am.


That is the stupidest spam post I have seen in a long time. Did you actually read the question the thread posed? And this stupidity came from you? I had a good impression of you, perhaps I thought wrong. Enjoy a 5 hour suspension in order to get in contact with your brain again.

For my swim, he loves the incredible 10 minute extreme experience, but that would be too intense over a period of 3 hours.
He tried pharma but was too overwhelmed with a 3 hour strong spice trip.

You're right. In retrospect, this surprises me as well. I hadn't eaten all day and I guess I didn't realize what a foul mood I was in.

Sincerest apologies to fnog9 and to the Nexus.

In a sense, it's easier to just smoke it because of not needing harmaloids. While SWIM definitely enjoys smoking it, he's beginning to feel like he should smoke much more infrequently and engage in -huasca sessions far more often. SWIM also integrates the -huasca experience much better than the smoking experience, as far as in the sense of retaining insight. SWIM also manages to get a fairly hefty and lengthy experience from an incredibly minimal amount of material with -huasca, whereas with smoking, he'll go through many times that amount of spice in a night. He also used to do both occasionally, but he found the smoking experience to be overpowering and disruptive to the desired -huasca experience.




While out of line in the context of the thread, that is a pretty nifty device.

There are other methods that lie somewhere in between, such as smoking changa.

Personally, I usually pre-dose with sublingual harmaloids and then vaporize pure spice.

2 hours is a Long Time in hyperspace.

I feel the 10 minute hyperspace is long. Its enough to give me great insight. 2 hours would drive me nutzo.

Time probably has something to do with it. I know there are times when I want to go deep, but don't feel like being there for an extended period of time. I know people say they don't get much from the smoked experience; personally I think it's a matter of understanding that the smoked experience reveals things in a manner that allows some lessons to be instantly realized and integrated and requires much longer periods of time (and even subsequent return trips) just to remember and then integrate other peices.

The other main reason people probably reference smoking it more is that it doesn't require MAOI. You keep talking about "eating dmt" but it doesn't do you any good to just "eat some dmt", you need other substances. This could be one reason smoked dmt is more common to hear about. Another could be that it is the method of administration that is most commonly referenced by McKenna and Rogan and whoever else is seen as a spokesman for the molecule.

Good responses. I also think that people tend to *vaporize* Spice because that's largely how it's been advertised by Terence McKenna and other writers. Also, there's no point for extracting (or synthesizing) Spice, going through the trouble, in order to cap it up and eat it; that can more easily and safely be done with a tea from the plant materials. Spice extraction is usually for the purpose of smoking the crystals.

This reminds me of a website I found describing the author's experiences vaporizing other members of the tryptamine family. He said that 30 mg vaporized psilocybin had a rush/cannon shoot-off much more powerful than that of vaped Spice. Given the relative ease of eating an active amount of psilocybin/psilocin in the mushrooms themselves, it seems unlikely that these tryptamines will be widely smoked.

I think many, many more people take it orally. Look at how big the ayahuasca rites are for the santo-daime and uno de vegetal.

I prefer to take it orally as well. As a matter of fact, i only vaped DMT once, just to try whether i would like it more than ayahuasca, and i liked it less.

I can see why people like it vaped. But to me, it´s just too quick, to short and there´s something unnatural about it that i don´t like.

I find ayahuasca the most beautyfull thing there is. The whole proces from the beginning till the end is like a cleansing of the mind, like taking a long and epic journey, like an adventure and at the same time it feels like being connected to the universe and with yourself in an ultimate fashion. To me nothing can beat that.

lysergify, I know it was just a way of putting it but, you shouldnt do or not do something just because you've 'advertised' by someone, whoever that person may be. Do as you feel you should

As for the extracting spice and then taking orally, I must also disagree with you. I do love taking ayahuasca, but I also love pharma with extracted material (made from food-safe extractions). Pharma is wonderful for how pratical it is, there's also diminishing nausea, better control of dosage, etc... I dont think any of them substitute the other, both have their own place

The beauty of vaped spice/changa is that you can make it last as long as you like, somtimes I dont have an hour or few for a journey.

But for those occasions when I have a few days free then hell ye, im eating it

Thanks for the responses, ya'll. Oh, I can't believe I forgot to ask, for the people who both eat and smoke dmt, is there any difference in visuals? Is Smoking more visual?

So far I have only smoked it on a bed of herb&tobacco, but I plan on making changa and trying aya eventually.
I guess reasons for having smoked it is because its a short duration which as I'm not experienced with it is less intimidating than a 2 hr experience and also because of the intensity of smoking it- the effects hit you very quickly. It is a unique experience- being propelled somewhere almost immediately than its short but wonderful & has a distinct after-glow period as well.

Again, I point to the fact that you can't just eat dmt. When you eat dmt, you are forced to take it with an maoi. Maoi's have their own effects. Imo, these effects make for a qualitatively different trip while retaining many similarities between smoked and oral administration of dmt.

Endlessness, I certainly agree on the first part, I was merely pointing out that Spice per se has mostly been advertised as a smokable substance and that's what people in the American psychedelic subculture mostly know it for. People tend to do what they know there is to do, if that awkward phrase makes sense.

I'm surprised to hear you talking about the food-safe pharmahuasca, though I suppose one benefit of that is having the ability to capsule it, rather than drink nasty alkaloid-rich tea. SWIM may try that again soon; the previous two times she under-dosed on the MAOI.

I believe there is a longer history of DMT being consumed orally than it being smoked. I might be wrong though, who knows.

He's right. Spice with a harmaloid to activate it orally is far different from smoke spice without aid of a harmaloid. A lot of folks on here prefer using a harmaloid, even when smoking, to balance out the experience and make it more akin to a short, intense -huasca experience, but even then, the two may be worlds apart, though retaining some subtle relations.