And it's a boy...

Did the BLAB and after my first few pulls (gently rotating the jug) I have 2.5g (see the attached picture).

Test run tomorrow, but it looks kosher. It was luminescent orange when I first finished it, but after some more evaporating it has gone a dull yellow/white.

Is it normal to have what looks like fumaric acid powder amongst the crystals? Certain parts of it look very powdery, most however looks fine.

I'm excited to see how much the next few days worth will net me in addition, as well as any more that may crash out of the old D-limo.

Oh, which reminds me, can you reuse this d-limo now it's got so much FASI in it? Is there a way to remove the FASI? I don't intend to reuse it, but it would be interesting to know.

Anyway, I'm in the club now

Looking good. Since you already have JimJam fumarate in there,
I dont think any excess Fumaric acid would pose a problem.

The blue paper behind that white device looks like a sheet of acid.

I wish it was acid. Sadly it's an old payslip I was using to transfer the spice.

By Jimjam fumarate I take it you're referring to the presence of jungle spice in the crystals too? What difference can I expect? I'm looking forward to the sample tomorrow, but would be nice to know.

Also, what do people do to clear the really stubborn stuff from inside the jar? I was going to heat up some ether and swill that around a lot and then freeze precip in a test tube. Yay, nay? Easier way?

Looks yummy!

Correct. The difference will depend on the rate at which one pours in the FASI and how saturated it is. Slower will net better xtals. If it was oversaturated and there is excess FA in the final product, you'll be able to taste it. It has a very tart taste. If it's food grade FA, then no worries. How much MHRB did swiy start with btw? Happy Journeys.

SWIM may have rushed the FASI stage a bit. Was dropping in ~10-15ml over about a minute, then leaving it alone for 10 minutes. Rinse, repeat. Happy enough with it looking like dog shite too be honest, as long as the product is pure Was added FASI quite a bit after it wasn't making any difference, because I couldn't quite tell for sure if it was clouding or just mixing insoluble liquids. Now I know

Started with 500g, and this is only the easily removed crystals from the first 24 hours of precipitation, from the first 3 pulls. In over words, I have every expectation to double it. Optimistic, perhaps.

The first few pulls were gently folded in, and now I have my product I'm getting cocky, so I've been trying full on Maracca shaking. So far it was 3 hours in without settling back to normal. I'm hoping by tomorrow it will have. Anyone want to give me the laymans for what this emulsion you can form is, and why it's bad?

Seem to be getting a cold though, so may not be launching tomorrow. We shall see. I wonder how the elves take to red bull?

Bloody hell Bonny, I'm impressed!

to reuse the limo from fasi, you have to wash it with water a few times to remove the IPA

btw, after collecting the fumarates, I suggest adding more FASI to the limo before washing, to see if more crashes out

I has it left in a jar all alone in the shed. Some very small amounts of crystals are occurring already. After I do my FASI on the limo from these pulls I'll add to it. See what total net yield is after all this.
Have my jug in a hot water bath to see if I can encourage the solvent back out of the mulch... bastard.

Just tried 50mg of this fumarate. Seemed tiny compared to 50mg of the crystals I had been using. Didn't launch, but there again my throat is killing me and I'm out of tobacco (chalipoonga) so bonging was a failure. But it felt like beginnings of DMT at least.

Didn't seem to be vaporising as readily though... :think:

I don't mind re-xing it, but I don't want to lose the jungle (or yield for that matter).

As mentioned earlier though, does anyone use warm solvent to collect the crystals from their precipitation jars? Even if it doesn't dissolve the crystal fully, it should dislodge it, right?

Have just finished adding the FASI to the second lot of pulls from this batch. Did it nice and slowly 3ml every now and then while watching South Park and now on to the new series of Breaking Bad (whats with the crawling along the floor thing at the beginning... Mexicans, wtf?).

Anyway, barely started adding the FASI an hour ago, and admittedly there are lots of seed crystals left from the first precip, but this is looking VERY productive already.

Also got the lid off the jar with the d-limo from the first batch, hoping to evaporate it down a bit and hopefully get even more crystals. But that's got a healthy smattering already

Will be adding the d-limo from this into there aswell

Happy times.

Now to just have another go at 50mg with my sore throat to verify the stuff works. Hmm.

uhh did i get this right...you are smoking your fumarates?!

they need to be freebased before they vaporize well...and most likely you just burned that dose..fumarates are best for storage and for eating..i dont even know if smoking fumarates is healthy...i recommend not doing again..

the reason the BLAB ends with dmt fumarate is because there was no reason to add freebasing to the tek because there are many already out there to choose from...

Finally, someone tells me this.



I even made a thread about practical differences.

So basically I have to recrystallise? Will I get to keep my jungle if I turn it freebase?

Also, my collecting jar on the second FASI addition had a 1cm thick layer of particulate matter, looking faintly like crystals but I wouldn't vouch on it. Should I coffee filter them out, or hope they settle in the new jar they're in?

Still battling with confusion here.

Tried doing Amor_fati's freebasing method, which yielded a solid block of clay like shite. However, not sure how to dose that if making changa, as when dissolving some in heptane for re-xing it the vast majority of mass was left undissolved...

Also tried vaping that clay, and even with a ridiculously hot metal spoon it barely vaped and most of the solid remained.

Bah, wish I'd done a straight to base now.

Any tips for getting crystals from my fumarate?

Stick to the BLAB TEK info in the Wiki and you cant go wrong. You will get the final product your looking for. Its simple.

You obviously didn't read your own thread...

https://dmt-nexus.me/for...&m=133486#post133486

Aye, I'm in the middle of doing that very conversion as we speak. Is it completely impossible to get nice easy vaping crystals for bonging/machine out of the BLAB then? I'm probably going to turn whatever pittance I get from the 3g fumerate that I'm doing (that^) to into changa.

I have some lovely crystals growing from a hexane re-x, but that was half freebased fumerate and half complete swag stb I had left over (~500mg of VERY impure product from a friend). From a quick eyeball I'd say there was about 200-300mg of crystals in there, which is a better yield then I'd expect from just the swag. Any chance the crystals are seeding the freebased fumarate, or trapping it inside? Curious.

Your makes me very sad

No idea how I missed that. I read through your link as well and some how just came away with 'they're the same'...

Ah well, seems I'll be making changa predominantly for the time being.

Just another noob question (on top of the proof of my retardedness I may as well bury some more), when dosing changa, if you make 1:1 herb to spice mix, if you want a 50mg hit of spice do you weigh out 100mg of changa?

That's exactly right Bonny. SWIM has noticed her changa doesn't exactly distribute the spice evenly, so it's not foolproof; if she can see crystals on the outside of the leaf, she knows to take it easy, and it also means some of the batch doesn't come as strong. It may just come from her poor technique - she soaks the leaf in IPA, swirling the spice until it dissolves.

Please don't feel bad about the questions and making mistakes through the process. It's all learning, and hopefully other people trying out their own BLAB's for the first time will learn from this as well. It took SWIM till her third STB to get everything going smoothly, and the process has much less involvement.

She's going to try a BLAB after a couple of attempts at A/B, so I'm sure that she'll be checking back with these threads before starting out.

Thanks dear, chemistry was never my strong suite at college/uni, although I do enjoy metabolic pathways/biochemistry etc. But acids, bases, valancy/polarity etc... Not my element.

There is a certain air on here of much pestered wise men being constantly pestered by noobs (which is probably not far off), so it's weird for me to be in the noob camp when I'm used to being the pestered. So to speak.

At any rate, I've learnt a lot from this whole debacle, and I'm looking forward to making some changa. I don't think the solvent matters so much, just that it evaporates cleanly. I have chloroform, hexane, ether and 99% IPA at my disposal. Contemplating an 'eeny-meany' selection process.

Quite wishing I'd done a STB, as I essentially did one anyway, but just used FASI to dump it out of the limonene. If I'd evaporated and then freeze precipitated, surely I would of got nice and shiny freebase crystals? It was only after I was left with orange fumarate goo that it all started to go awry

Ah well, as long as I get a gram or two of potent changa I'll put a tick in the win column.

Heating the solvent up a bit helps with disolving the spice and getting a more even distribution of spice to leaf. Also not moving any of the herb around while it's evaping is a good aproach when infusing the herb.