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cyb
#1841 Posted : 11/2/2013 6:58:12 PM

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@ Pipsy
Are you absolutely sure you have mhrb?
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Good quality Syrian rue (Peganum harmala) for an incredible price!
 
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#1842 Posted : 11/2/2013 7:18:00 PM
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cyb wrote:
@ Pipsy
Are you absolutely sure you have mhrb?



This is what I am wondering right now too. As far as I know, the vendor I ordered from is ok, although I did think the bark looked slightly different than I remember back in the mid 2000's, although I attributed this to declining quality, I am also beginning to think it might be something different.

The difference in appearance I am referring to specifically is the color. The bark I used previously was nice and pink, whereas this bark is decidedly lacking in that color. I could probably post a picture as well if that would be of use.
 
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#1843 Posted : 11/2/2013 7:27:43 PM

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mind if I PM you the name to verify?

Please don't...I couldn't verify for you anyway. Sorry.
Here at the Nexus we don't talk of acquiring or sourcing.
If you are ending up with no precipitate...it is quite likely that you have trunk bark or another species altogether.
Shady vendors are the bane of our psy world I'm afraid. Confused
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Pipsy
#1844 Posted : 11/2/2013 7:33:24 PM
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I suppose this is a sign to make the switch to acacia.
 
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#1845 Posted : 11/2/2013 11:04:51 PM

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Du57mi73 wrote:

We LOVE pics here. Smile glad to hear you're spreading the wisdom of spice. Its a wonderful feeling to know you have helped others achieve such great experiences.


Thats good to hear. Should I place them here ? Or can i create a thread somewhere ?
 
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#1846 Posted : 11/3/2013 12:53:21 AM

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I wanted to do my first chemical extraction with lsa. I have already pulled together all the needed solvents and reagents. Curious about possible methods, I have read teks that require hours of stirring. I feel as if this lengthy stirring mustn't be done by hand with a stick and bowl so primitively. Or maybe it is? Is there some cheap equipment these long procedures can accommodate?
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#1847 Posted : 11/3/2013 1:08:31 AM

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It does seem paradoxical yeah and beyond me maybe someone with advanced knowledge can answer it as FASA is a multiple proven method.


I was thinking on it and remembered that one of the members here said that sodium carbonate isn't a traditional base like say calcium hydroxide, but is rather a salt that acts like a base and is able to donate the required H or O (forget which) if I remember correctly.

Maybe that odd reaction was caused by the differing properties of the sodium carbonate? Anybody else care to chime in?
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#1848 Posted : 11/3/2013 1:31:43 AM

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PantsR4squares wrote:
I wanted to do my first chemical extraction with lsa. I have already pulled together all the needed solvents and reagents. Curious about possible methods, I have read teks that require hours of stirring. I feel as if this lengthy stirring mustn't be done by hand with a stick and bowl so primitively. Or maybe it is? Is there some cheap equipment these long procedures can accommodate?


Check out Kashs' tek..

jesus I still dont think you saturated it enough to crash it out and also created sodium fumarate that may have had an effect, but thats just a guess Im baffled to be honest.…

 
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#1849 Posted : 11/3/2013 6:13:39 AM

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See, that's what he thought and is why he dumped an excess of fumaric straight into the large jar and stirred the hell out of it and when nothing started to form after a few hours and he gave up on it until that reaction occured.

Whatever formed as a side product separated itself immediately and was easily washed out. The resulting purifed golden goo was mind blowing though, thought he did too much with 20mg at first but then it got awesome and lasted for about an hour, which seemed kind of long to him.
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#1850 Posted : 11/3/2013 6:27:29 PM
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How can I get my hands on this new tek?

Im about to go to a friends to do the extraction, I already had an account before but have forgotten all the details and I yielded well with the old tek but would love the new version.


I cant seem to download Sad
 
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#1851 Posted : 11/3/2013 8:00:48 PM

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My main question was concerning a method of stirring. Is it all by hand or is there a chemists tool that would save me the hours of work, I feel as if there has to be. Still curious which of Kash's teks i should put effort in to. His advanced one or the one pre that has mgs04(epsom salt) in step one. Wondering why his advanced tek skips that part.
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#1852 Posted : 11/4/2013 2:55:09 AM

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Magnetic stirrer with stir bars in a pyrex beaker is what I've usually read/seen usrd. Not cheap but I can imagine the multitude of uses that could be found for it.

Haven't read the tek that you're talking about but depending on his solvent it may be immiscible with water, thus negating the need for it; he might be assuming that you already know to add it or his choice solvent brand may not have any water added.

Now I have a question.. Does anybody know why older seed:base mixtures for bufo extractions seem to form cloudy precipitation which then crashes and settles out as a crimson red goo rather than white salts after FASA is added? My friend has noticed it but never bothered to do anything with it since he has no idea what it is or its potency.
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#1853 Posted : 11/4/2013 3:54:20 AM

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is supersaturated naphtha cloudy and white before the freezer, or after?

AFOAF said It went in looking like water, now 3 hours later it looks like skim milk.
It feels familiar , for good reason.
 
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#1854 Posted : 11/4/2013 7:01:29 AM

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datdmt wrote:
is supersaturated naphtha cloudy and white before the freezer, or after?

AFOAF said It went in looking like water, now 3 hours later it looks like skim milk.


You're good. Goes in clear but as the solubility drops in the freeze the alkaloids become solids/visible in the solution(the cloudiness you/"AFOAF" see)
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#1855 Posted : 11/6/2013 1:34:43 AM

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i have a friend who cant boil a vinegar solution because he has family in town, he wants to know if its ok to add vinegar and acacia c root bark powder till the ph was 4 and let it sit for a day or two.
It feels familiar , for good reason.
 
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#1856 Posted : 11/6/2013 2:53:27 AM

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That's perfectly okay, in fact it will most likely increase his yeilds.
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RideFree
#1857 Posted : 11/6/2013 5:42:17 PM

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Hey you,

first of all: Thank you to all Members!! what an outstanding place to read :-)

i'm a quiet reader since this year, and very new to extractions and the processes behind generelly.. so, i hope you can help me a bit :-)

SWIMs first Project now is to extract LSA from HBWR with the PanoraMIX HBWR Extract-Tek (https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/PanoraMIX_HBWR_Extract)

SWIM has 600ml IPA now, ready for evap :-)

my questions are:
-Is it possible, WITHOUT Toulene or DCM, to get a purer Extrakt?
-Which solvents are simmilar to Toulene or DCM and easy to buy in EU?
-Why is LSA soluble in Toulene or DCM? I remember LSA is soluble in polar solvents, Toulene/DCM are non-polar?!

Thank you & sorry for my bad english ;-)
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slugware
#1858 Posted : 11/13/2013 4:43:45 PM

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Hey,

i have two questions :

1. I just checked the tempertature of my refrigerator freezer . - 10 C . Is this OK for freeze precip? I am going to do a Cyb's hybrid salt tek. Speaking of salt >

2. i know non-iodized salt is better for this, but i can't find any. All the stores here have only table iodized salt. Is it okay to use with this tek?

Cheers!
 
RideFree
#1859 Posted : 11/14/2013 6:35:52 PM

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RideFree wrote:
Hey you,
my questions are:
-Is it possible, WITHOUT Toulene or DCM, to get a purer Extrakt?
-Which solvents are simmilar to Toulene or DCM and easy to buy in EU?
-Why is LSA soluble in Toulene or DCM? I remember LSA is soluble in polar solvents, Toulene/DCM are non-polar?!



i think i can answer the last question by myself ;-)

LSA (Salt) is soluble in polar solvents like water,IPA etc.. but if you increase the ph of the solvent, the LSA converts to the Freebase, which is soluble in non-polar solvents. Thats the reason why i can pull it with Toulene or DCM.

correct me if i'm wrong please :-)


 
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#1860 Posted : 11/14/2013 6:38:44 PM

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slugware wrote:
Hey,

i have two questions :

1. I just checked the tempertature of my refrigerator freezer . - 10 C . Is this OK for freeze precip? I am going to do a Cyb's hybrid salt tek. Speaking of salt >

2. i know non-iodized salt is better for this, but i can't find any. All the stores here have only table iodized salt. Is it okay to use with this tek?

Cheers!


1 Yes
2 No - at least I don't think so
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