I actually love this extraction. It's all about patience and fridge decanting. The benefits from repeating the process are highly advisable. With 1 time round SWIM's friend still got nausea when combined with DMT fumerate. A repetition yielded an extract that caused no nausea. SWIM's friend is pretty bad when it comes to his stomach though.

There has been some speculation on ayahuasca forum that in the process of roasting syrian rue seeda, some of the harmine gets converted to harmaline or THH... would this indeed be the case?

SWIM thought it was the opposite fo this, harmaline converting to harmine. SWIM thought that boiling the seeds did this, as well, and his extract seems to indicate this.

okay so swim got a pile of what looks like instant coffee granules - can swim take these add them to water - filter - and add sodium carbonate to freebase - wait for them to crash out then filter ?
Then can swim add the freebase harmala alkys to a solvent to xtalize some way ? maybe acetone, d-limonene, naptha+freeze precip ??? or what - swim would like to clean them but has no alcahol of any kind and cant get any.(swim doesnt have ammonia either,)
ideas ?

I just finished my exact of 50 grams of rue last night and ended up with 1.5 grams, Thank you to endlessness becase i followed your teck of salting then a/b extract. I just had to try it out when i was finished so i sublingly took about .o6 of a gram about 10pm and by the time i went to bed at 12pm i felt so great i didnt want to go to sleep. When i woke up for work this morning i still feel the efects or some strong after effects. It is great!! Thanks to all who contributed to this thread and to endlessness.

Try charcoaling the rue in the oven at around 180C/356F for 30 minutes. Should make it much easier to powder and filter.

This looks good. How do you know that you're getting harmine and not harmaline as well?

Also, the description of the steps confuses me for some reason. Please correct if I got any of this wrong.

1) boil syrian rue and pull as many times as you want. Reduce to a few hundred ml. Strain out the seed particles
2) Add as much rock salt to the extract until no more will dissolve.
3) put it in the fridge for a few hours. Harmine should precip out.
4) strain and collect the harmine. Let it dry.

Anything wrong with that? Thanks.

This is not my tek but the author is unknown so I cannot give due credit to the correct person.

What you need:
Syrain Rue
Salt (rock salt or iodine free table salt)
Distilled water
Vinegar

"At this moment I am looking at my Harmine HCL crystals growing on a plate... I saw this extraction somewhere else on the net, and didn't know If anyone had tried it, but it works... The first time I tried it I didn't get the 4 mm long crystals that I was supposed to get, but the whole extraction process I went through just became a cluster ---- in my kitchen... I hadn't cleaned all my glass properly, and I didn't have what I needed at that time....

Now I have seen harmine hcl for sale online and in can cost as much as $100 a gram, and you can buy a pound of seeds for less than half that and do your own extraction.... hmmmm

Anyway, here is the process I used to get the beautiful 1-4 mm long crystals growing on my plate... I don't even know who's process this is that I am stealing, but the one I use is for chem idiots like me, no math or any thing involved...

Step one:
Take your harmala seeds and boil 'em ( you can add an acid or not. I always add a little vinegar, never measure though). When they have boiled for about 30 mins, strain the water with a tea strainer into a pyrex measuring cup/mixing bowl thing you can get from a grocery store. Boil 'em again... strain into the same container. Boil 'em again... strain into the same container.

Step two:
Dump the seeds and wash the pot you were using. Boil some water and add rock salt (important to use rock salt because there is noting add to it, regular table salt fas stuff add to it. If you have to use table salt, make sure it doesn't have Iodine in it). Keep adding rock salt to your booiling water 'till No more disolves, so now you have a super saturated salt-water solution....


[EDIT: There seems to be some problems with steps two, three and four.. instead of doing step two with some water and then mixing this salt saturated solution to the rue tea, better to straight away add salt to the rue tea, saturating it with salt. No need to add cold water as said in step four. Just saturate the liquid from the rue boilings with water, which should be around 20-30g salt per 100ml liquid, and then put it in the fridge overnight, thats it]

Step three:
Strain the hot salt water into you hamarla boilings to keep out the salt rocks, Only adding enough salt water so that you have 2 or 3 parts harmala-water and 1 part Salt-water. I try to make sure that I have 3 times as much harmala solution as I have salt water.

Step four:
Stir it all up, then add a little bit of cold water to aid in the cooling of the mixture...SOMETHING should precipitate out. That's a good thing: the crystals form when the temp of the solution drops. Put it in the freezer for an hour. After that put it in the fridge for a few hours (longer if ya like, but three of four hours is what I did).

Step five:
There should be a whole bunch of crystals and grunge at the bottom of your container It doesn't matter how big the crystals are just yet.... I could hardly notice that they were actually crystals, the just happened to be about 1 mm little needles. Now it should be strained again...I used a bandanna to strain, but a t-shirt will work... Put your filter cloth over the top of a big stock pot and slowly pour you crungy/crystal solution through it... Now you can dump the shit in the pot outand lay your t-shirt over the pot under a fan to dry out...

[EDIT: Do step 6 at your own risk. dissolving harmalas in different types of alcohol and acetone seem to create a different reddish and gooey product that is sometimes called Harmala Red, and it is possibly inactive, though there is little info on what it is exactly and if its really inactive, its toxicological safety, etc)

Step six:
It should look like you have extracted sparkling dirt from the seeds... Scrape all your sparkling dirt off your t-shirt and into a clear glass container and add just enough methyl alcohol (ethyl should work too though, and you will know when there's enough you'll have yellowish/reddish/orangish alchy with brown shit in the bottom). The sparkles dissolve and the crunge doesn't... strain again through a t-shirt and into your a flat Pyrex baking dish or onto a clear plate. Place under a fan or somewhere with adequate ventilation and wait and watch.... "