welcome Ethnopiate...there is a lot on the ID of the species in the thread, index p1
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Americans (in particular )
..given how common Acacia farnesiana is worldwide, such as in the southern USA, central America and Asia, it is surprising there have been no reported follow up experiments to the reported tryptamine and beta-carboline findings in it..

below, Acacia farnesiana allies (Treehoppers) in Florida, and the flowering tree (also Florida)

I have not seen it in my area, but USDA zone map for Acacia farnesiana says it grows in my state. If I find any, or someone sends me seeds, I'll grow the tree; test it when possible, if nobody has confirmed DMT content by that point.

Thank you very much for your efforts within this thread and Acacia Identification Thread.

an interesting one I came across today for the intrepid researchers,

rather than bitter/acrid phyllodes, red tips etc. one of the best heuristics for finding new species is genetic relatedness (which in the acacia genus is, interestingly, often different to morphological similarity). Here's something I came across today from a paper suggesting taxonomic revisions. basic point is plants in same clade/subclades = likely candidates.

Interesting! Funnily enough I have just come back from a walk (cut short by a spider bite while inspecting a certain a. pycantha) and noticed an incredible variety of phenotypes and a couple that looked like a.implexa a.pycantha hybrids. Have these been known to hybridise?

..very interesting chart thanks Seldom... thank you for posting..
it is known that spike flower species can hybridise with ball flowered ones, so, as you say, close genetic relationships in acacias are not always based on morphological characteristics..

and DreaMTripper...what kind of spider was it?! hope you're not too sore (or dizzy) ..sounds like a tree guardian..
i don't know of recorded hybrids, but is possible...and indeed of interest if this is occurring..
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keep it coming in acacians...

While I've never seen or heard of it occuring, (pycantha is subgenus Phyllodineae, whereas implexa is in Plurinerves ) stranger things have happened, but my guess would be probably not

^..there are no recorded natural hybrids between the sections..
but it's worth noting a genetic study. D. Murphy et al. Australian Systematic Botany 2002 found..
"..the current analysis by the sister species relationship of A. cognata, in section Plurinerves, to A. paradoxa, a unnerved taxon in the section Phyllodineae, indicating that the plurinerved and unnerved conditions are homoplastic."
nothing is ever quite clear-cut it seems in acacia world..

Hi Nen (and co!). I have been avidly reading all your wonderful info and thought it about time I participated, especially to help those of us in the West of Oz. I have posted per the below link and was hoping you could help with some ID and info?
I have included a few pics and some details here;

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...;t=33648&find=unread

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Even suggestions of other "spirit molecule" heavy plants we may be overlooking out here would be a great resource.
Thanks for your time and all the awesome info.

Ha yeah guardian indeed thought the same thing, the tree it was by was different to all the others around it phyllodes much brighter green and rounder but still quite young maybe one for the future..it was a huntsman or house black I think, fairly large and gave a fair nip!
Regarding the hybridisation on second look its clearly a.pycantha but the trunk is vastly different to others more implexa like, the others in the whole park bar a couple more like this are smooth and the phyllodes hook shape is more pronounced. However the stems and phyllodes seem to have the same vein structure..

Ethnopiate please be patient with the ID request.

A German site claims DMT, NMT from Acacia Retionodes.
http://www.factorey.ch/Eins.htm

Have you come across this particular source Nen? Or does anybody have any knowledge about this claim?

wiki -> DMT containing plants "Less than 0.02% total alkaloids found (Hegnauer 1994)".

thanks Cosmic Spore...
A. retinodes is a mysterious one, with more work clearly needed..Hegnauer i don't have the reference, have seen cited as DMT,NMT, nicotine, but this is not his own tests..Fikenscher, 1960 was the nicotine report, but ID of plant uncertain....Rovelli, 1967, found 0.2% of an unknown alkaloid..i once saw another unpublished listing without source that claimed 0.5% alkalloid..then in 2011 nexian yatiqiri found and about 0.5% of entheogenic presumed tryptamines (bioassayed) in A. provincialis, which until relatively recently was a variety of A. retinodes..so i can't exactly answer your query Meddling Monk, but there's something in there..probably..depending on where and when you are
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{EDIT: more on the Mystery of Retinodes...

the Rovelli paper is a hard to access manuscript, it's not the phlebophylla paper..i know someone with a copy...i'll try to get it..but what was really mysterious was that the unknown alkaloid did not conform to any reference standards of tryptamines or phenethylamines or other alkaloids known from acacias!}

in 2011, from a tree naturalised in Bolivia, yatitqiri described the A. provincialis (formerly A. retinodes var retionodes) extract effects as:

see question about my acacia spice for a fuller description and photo of extract..this thread also goes into a lot of ID detail, as i initially thought it was A. saligna, but was convinced after a bit of two-and-froing with wira that it was A. provincialis..it's a good example of the detail and effort required to really pin down some species, with here the motivation of a confirmed psychoactive extract)

below, the A. provincialis naturalised in Boliva from which yatiqiri extracted:

ps. nice looking trees DreaMTripper..

for those new to acacias, plant ID, and/or tryptamines....and indeed anyone...i encourage patience..

hear the spirit of the trees..not your own thoughts...

they've been around a long while...
and know patience..


be well, acacians all..
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Do you mind helping with a couple of Southern Cal IDs?
Im still not clear if this is a thread for ID req. Sorry if it doesn't belong here.

^hi bbing...Acacia ID Thread..always appreciate californiacacias..

..i bow out for now,
with a meditation..

it is from the early Buddhist Pali canon..the 'Acacia Dialogue'..

(and remember..buddhist monks keep secrets...)



The Khadira Sutta (Acacia Dialogue) (S 56.32/5:438 f)
Samyutta Nikaya (from translation by Piya Tan)

(the Buddha said) ...

2. Bhikshus, if anyone were to speak thus:
“Without realizing the noble truth that is suffering according to reality,
without realizing the noble truth that is the arising of suffering according to reality,
without realizing the noble truth that is the ending of suffering according to reality,
without realizing the noble truth that is the path to the ending of suffering according to reality,
I shall make a total end of suffering”—this is impossible.
3. Just as, bhikshus, someone were to speak thus:
“Having made a bag of acacia leaves, or of pine needles, or of myrobalan leaves, I will carry water or a palm fruit”—this is impossible.
Even so, bhikshus, if anyone were to speak thus: “Without realizing the noble truth that is suffering according to reality, without realizing the noble truth that is the arising of suffering according to reality, without realizing the noble truth that is the ending of suffering according to reality, without realizing the noble truth that is the path to the ending of suffering according to reality,I shall make a total end of suffering”—this is impossible.
4. But, bhikshus, if anyone were to speak thus: “Having realized the noble truth that is suffering according to reality, having realized the noble truth that is the arising of suffering according to reality, having realized the noble truth that is the ending of suffering according to reality, having realized the noble truth that is the path to the ending of suffering according to reality,
I shall make a total end of suffering”—this is possible.
5. Just as, bhikshus, someone were to speak thus: “Having made a of bag lotus leaves, or of kino leaves, or of maluva leaves, I will carry water or palm fruit”—this is possible.
Even so, bhikshus, if anyone were to speak thus: “Having realized the noble truth that is suffering according to reality, having realized the noble truth that is the arising of suffering according to reality, having realized the noble truth that is the ending of suffering according to reality, having realized the noble truth that is the path to the ending of suffering according to reality,
I shall make a total end of suffering”—this is possible.
6. Therefore, bhikshus,
Devoted effort should be made to understand,
‘This is the suffering.’
Devoted effort should be made to understand,
‘This is the arising of suffering.’
Devoted effort should be made to understand,
‘This is the ending of suffering.’
Devoted effort should be made to understand,
‘This is the path to the ending of suffering.’
.


carving in khadira wood below...

^ 1 for you nen888

No better right than I

I saw it in the days gone by,
When the dead girl lay at rest
And the wattle and the native rose
We placed upon her breast

I saw it in the long ago
(and I've seen strong men die),
And who, to wear the wattle,
Hath a better right than I?

I've fought it through the world since then,
And seen the best and worst
But always in the lands of men
I held Australia first

I wrote for her, I fought for her,
And when at last I lie,
Then who, to wear the wattle, has
A better right than I?

- Banjo Patterson


.. safe travels man

^ Food for thought...

colour and I are busy compiling some African Acacia info and would appreciate assistance locating the following paper:

Muhammad, Saleem; Mushtaq, Ahmad; Ashfaq, Ahmad. Chemistry of the medicinal plants of genus Acacia. Hamdard Medicus (1998 ) 41(1) 63-67.

..^^paper has been retrieved. If anyone would would like to give it a read, pm.

What would be some good candidates for the "fastest" growing, small acacia's, that could possibly be hybridized with acuminata (narrow var).

I'm thinking from the perspective of being able to grow small acacia very quickly, with the profile of acuminata (narrow var) - (as an alternative to phalaris)