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BlazingMind
#1661 Posted : 4/11/2013 3:58:49 AM
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Hmmmmmm damn, does anybody know a reliable source to order root bark from? Or if posting venders isn't allowed, does anyone know where i might start looking for some?
 

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#1662 Posted : 4/11/2013 7:31:03 AM

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Hmmmmmm damn, does anybody know a reliable source to order root bark from? Or if posting venders isn't allowed, does anyone know where i might start looking for some?


Please use your mind...and your Search Engine...


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#1663 Posted : 4/11/2013 11:18:38 AM

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Greetings folks,
This would be my first official post about the teks.

I have flooded my mind with most of the teks and am sinking now... not that I am complaining... quite the contrary... extreme gratitude is flowing to the authors of the teks!

I thought you could use one tek for all alkaloids and that doesnt seems to be the case. It is starting to look like specific procedures for each different alkaloid. Is that right? I like different parts of teks but do not know what I can combine from them now.

I would like to build my teks this way as a general rule with as few steps as possible with no defatting steps.

My Goal is to understand the processes involved to produce orally administrable doses of the full spectrum spices from any crude first acid washed extract after I have filtered out the plant material by physical means. I want to be able to crash out the alks from each crude/filtered acid wash extracts without any of the defatting steps. I really like the freeze crashing and room temp crashing options and want to use them only if possible.

Can it be that simple for orally administrable doses of any spice on the Nexus site?

1. Acid Wash Filtered Material
2. Base it. (or STB)
3. Crash with acid of choice.
4. Rinse final crystals/precip.
5. Oral Administration.

Thanks in advance for any and all help in refining my understanding of the teks that are before me.



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I have practiced a couple of teks as walk-thrus with sage and jasmine flowers as a material with no concern of the final products. Just noting my experience with these teks.Smile
 
3rdI
#1664 Posted : 4/11/2013 11:32:44 AM

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just do the teks as stated in the teks, there no point trying to fiddle with them before you have done them a few times and have got to grips with them, they are the way they are for a reason, they work.

i would recommend the following

extracts
DMT- cyb's salt tek
harmalas- gibran2's tek

brews
just read the "all about Aya" thread for details on how long to brew different plants for

good luck
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cyb
#1665 Posted : 4/11/2013 11:43:15 AM

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Journeymann wrote:
I have flooded my mind with most of the teks and am sinking now...


This Thread... may help your understanding a little more (if you haven't seen it already)
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Journeymann
#1666 Posted : 4/11/2013 11:43:59 AM

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Thank you for your reply 3rdI and encouragement.

I do quiver at the thought of the ingestion of something that has been in/near solvents (even d-Limonene). That is what I am trying to build a tek that doesnt include them.

I will look at your suggestions with open eyes.

Thanks again! Wink
 
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#1667 Posted : 4/11/2013 11:48:05 AM

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as long as your careful you will be fine, but i understand your reservations.
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Journeymann
#1668 Posted : 4/11/2013 11:49:52 AM

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cyb wrote:
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I have flooded my mind with most of the teks and am sinking now...


This Thread... may help your understanding a little more (if you haven't seen it already)
Smile


Thank you too, cyb. I have not see that article yet and it looks like a great synop of the processes involved.

I have tried a BLAB and CosmicLions - Full Spectrum Extract teks.

Ready to build my own now without solvents, if possible Smile
 
Journeymann
#1669 Posted : 4/11/2013 11:51:44 AM

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3rdI wrote:
as long as your careful you will be fine, but i understand your reservations.


I dont want to loose all the 'other spices' either with all the defatting steps. I will see if I can do it, if not I will just stomach everylast drop like normal... yeah! LOL
 
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#1670 Posted : 4/11/2013 12:39:07 PM

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check out the eco friendly teks that use vegetable oils, like this one: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=38133
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Journeymann
#1671 Posted : 4/11/2013 1:06:17 PM

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cyb wrote:
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I have flooded my mind with most of the teks and am sinking now...


This Thread... may help your understanding a little more (if you haven't seen it already)
Smile


Ok guys, I have read the teks and article recommended by cyb, but I still dont know if what I am wanting to do is even possible?


Can I create my own teks that get edible precip from crude/filtered extract without the use of petro/solvents and defatting. Just cook, filter, precip., filter/wash/, eat precip.?


Thanks for helping folks.
 
Journeymann
#1672 Posted : 4/11/2013 1:21:07 PM

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Enoon wrote:
check out the eco friendly teks that use vegetable oils, like this one: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=38133


Thank you Enoon Smile
 
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#1673 Posted : 4/11/2013 4:28:33 PM
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sdsd
 
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#1674 Posted : 4/11/2013 4:29:49 PM
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del plz
 
Journeymann
#1675 Posted : 4/13/2013 7:34:11 AM

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https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...oil_mescaline_extraction

I was curious, can I start this tek with and A/B vinegar boil then hit it with the lye and wind up with the same results of the tek?

In theroy I am working with 34g sanpedro cacti (dry) that has been vinegar boiled, filtered and reduced to 1 cup portions.

I like the tek just not sure if starting with an A/B acid boil changes the out come of the tek.

Thanks for your time folks!
 
misterpip
#1676 Posted : 4/14/2013 4:06:30 PM

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Hi everybody.

I've been using Coleman Liquid Fuel for extraction - not the USA version which turns things green (so I hear), the European flavour.

Anyway, I've a dish which has been sitting for about a week (I keep it pretty much covered with food wrap/cling film with the edges rolled back slightly to let some air in) & there are a few crystals at one end which seem to be sitting in little puddles of solvent (I assume). I have removed the film & have left the dish open to the air to speed up the evap in this, hopefully, last stage.

My question is: Is this kind of timescale normal? Am I being a little impatient wanting to harvest what's in there? I suppose I've waited this long, another day or two won't hurt. Thoughts anyone?




 
cyb
#1677 Posted : 4/14/2013 4:23:06 PM

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Is this kind of timescale normal?

Some heavier Solvents can take weeks to evap.
Blowing a cold fan over the dish will cut it down to hours....Thumbs up
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misterpip
#1678 Posted : 4/14/2013 6:08:01 PM

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cyb wrote:
misterpip wrote:
Is this kind of timescale normal?

Some heavier Solvents can take weeks to evap.
Blowing a cold fan over the dish will cut it down to hours....Thumbs up


Okay, thanks. I'll give it a go.
 
stationdragon
#1679 Posted : 4/18/2013 4:35:39 AM

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Hi everyone,

new here, first post.
I'm going to have quite a few questions regarding extraction I think because of holes in popular tek's and slight confusions, though I mostly get it.
Today though, I need to clear up a HUGE confusion. There's two main extractions I've been looking at, this one http://tribes.tribe.net/...a-418d-811b-a46bbbc5d603
and Volvin's Tek https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...9;s_tek#Step_7:_Washing.
Both follow a similar path until something quite contradictory happens in the middle part, involving the naphtha. In the first one it says
"There should now be two layers visible in the jug, a lower dark one and a smaller clear one on top filling the neck of the jug. Use a glass turkey baster to suck up the top clear layer into a pint mason jar. Be careful not to suck up any of the lower brown/black layer into the mason jar. place the sealed mason jar in a FREEZER for 3 days to precipitate the crystals."

But Volvin's says pretty much the exact opposite "You should now have your extraction in a flask and the naphtha in the funnel. You can discard the naphtha and begin the process again."

Now who's right here? One says keep the naphtha and evaporate from the DMT crystals and the other says discard the naphtha and extract the crystals from the other (dark) remaining liquid.

Am I missing something here? Very confused.
I also have a few questions regarding ammonia wash and it's necessity, re-crystallization, among others but I'll leave them until later so this doesn't turn into a massive post.
Thanks for any help you can offer guys.
 
stationdragon
#1680 Posted : 4/18/2013 4:44:29 AM

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I just realized that the first one adds lye before the naphtha then removes the naphtha for evaporation where volvin's mixes and removes the naphtha before adding the lye. So I'm seeing what I was missing before but being no chemist I don't know what difference this makes or which is better for purity (and yes, it's purity I'm aiming for rather than yield)
 
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