Hello all,

SWIM has been attempting 69rons d-limonene tek for extraction of cactus alkaloids... like a fool, SWIM decided to use less orange oil than indicated by the tek..... SWIM got impatient and figured hey, less solvents just means more pulls right? well, not with dry teks.....

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900 ml d-limonene was added to 500gm of cactus that met all other standards of the tek.

when attempting the first pull about 400 ml of solvent was retrieved from the plant material. extracted as indicated and the solvent was recycled. the 2nd pull may not happen. almost no d-limonene is being retrieved from said imaginary jar of cactus.

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SWIMs question, can the plant material be salvaged after exhausting any further pulls without acquiring more d-limonene (expensive, takes weeks to arrive, etc)?

could for example, SWIM dry out cactus material (does d-limonene evaporate cleanly?) after retrieving as much d-limonene as possible, waiting for the excess solvent and water to evaporate, then use xylene to extract and continue salting with either acetic or hydrochloric acid?

is there any quicker way to fix this (that may not require drying out plant material)?

any incite would be greatly appreciated.

Hello, swim is having a couple of problems with the lazyman tek (he'd be using a more advanced one but he's on a gas stove, and the naphtha...)

I've searched for answers to this problem for my friend, hopefully I'm not just stupid at searching, but I can't find him an answer so I told him I'd post for him.

Anyways, when Swim is stirring his naptha/MRHB suspension back into a mixture, as the suspension unmixes, the naptha and the MHRB never fully separate. So, when swim pours the top layer onto the glass plate to prepare for CFC, as more naptha evaps, he notices that there are small bits of tree bark (he thinks) mixed in with the crystals.

Swim is using 1 lb of MHRB, 375 mL naptha, and he used 17 tbsp of NaOH

How does swim get the small bits of tree back into the solution?

What you have is an emulsion. Check this out:

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...eparate.2C_what_to_do.3F

Also, if you have already separated the solvent, just wash it:

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...hould_I_wash_my_spice.3F

BTW, what do you mean, gas stove and naphtha ?!??

I mean he has to use the lazyman tek because he thinks it's crazy to heat up naptha in a mason jar like most of the other teks call for on top of a gas-burning stove, not insinuating the opposite haha. And thank you!

For the love of the almighty, which tek talks about heating naphtha in mason jar on top of gas-burning stove?!?!?!?!? Certainly none of the teks in our WIKI and forum...

Maybe he misread most of them...granted, it's been a while since he's seen any tek other than the lazyman. He'll have to get off his lazy arse and get into the wikis.

Imagine if the glass cracked, the solvent ignited and exploded everywhere.

Please be safe, everybody.

SWIM is definitely not doing anything crazy like this. While choosing a tek, he misread them, and chose lazyman...but he's never done anything stupid.

Hello,

This is my first post but I have been a reader for many months on all sorts of forums.
Most of my queries and problems have been answered however I just want to double check.

I just finished super saturating my naptha and it is now in the freezer ( I hope it's cold enough but I doubt it ) Does this really matter if the freezer is not cold enough? There is not much i can do about the temp
During the evap stage is it normal for the white crystals to form on the walls of the jar? Have I left it to evap for too long ? Have I ruined it

I used way too much naptha I got my measurements a bit wrong so I evapted about 60%-70% of the original amount.

How long do I need to really keep it in the freezer i've been hearing all sorts of numbers from 6 hours up to 72.

BTW it's in a sellotape sealed jar.

Also it seems to me that after the freezing and filtering the naptha through coffee filters. There could still be some more DMT in the naptha or am I wrong.
Could I not evap and freeze again after filtration? or is this a waste of time for what DMT is left?

Many Thanks

TYO

P.S I presuming it's safe to post this because this site is HTTPS. The last thing I need is to get in trouble.

It's supposed to crystallize on the walls so don't worry.

Since you evaporated your solvent 70% chances are all the DMT has precipitated. I wouldn't bother evaporating the naptha to collect anything in there. Just pour it off, dry, and scrape the jar.

And yes, this site is secure. The only thing that is logged is this post, but on the server, that is encrypted to the max. You're fine ;]

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus!

Phew all that SWIM talk confuses me.

So do you reckon It's too late to freeze it and there is no need? I should go straight to filtration?

Thanks for the quick reply

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spice does not freeze precipitate out of limonene, as it says in the FAQ. You have to salt it out.

What do you mean with "at the end of the extraction he obtained a lot of white powder" ? What step where you doing before that, please describe your method.

Water will dissolve sodium carbonate and not dissolve dmt freebase. Thats why if you follow BLAB tek and the water conversion you can dissolve dmt fumarate in water, add a bit of sodium carb saturated water and fridge(not freeze) precipitate the dmt out of water

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But what did you do exactly when you say ¨converted with a saturated sodium carb solution¨ ? Did you mix it, did it become cloudy? Did you put it in the fridge for a couple of days to let the dmt crystallize? Thats what should have happened, and then you only needed to filter the precipitated dmt, no need to evap anything

how and what did you slowly evaporate?

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Hello Everyone! I need A little help with my mescaline extraction. I am using 69ron's food safe extraction. The amount of powdered cactus is 114gs. I am in the middle of the extract and am stuck on what to do next. Here is the situation:

In the beginning of my extraction I was not paying attention to detail and added the d-limenone to the powder before adding the water. I then added a little more than 300ml of water and it turned my mixture into some kind of hard gelatin. I Added more water, maybe 200ml more, and put it in my blender but the consistency was almost the same. I thought there might be too much water in there so I added 200ml more of the d-limenone and blended. It was still super thick so I decided to add even more water until it had the consistency of a thick yogurt. I don't remember how much more water I added but I'm guessing 300-500 ml more, bringing the total water to 800-1000ml and the d-limonene to 500ml.

After sitting for a day there was no separation at all. I tried putting it through a French press but the particle size was too small for the press to do any filtering. I figured that because of the added water and d-limo that the basification was diluted so I added and mixed in about 40g more calcium hydroxide in addition to the already 29g that was already in there. I have let it sit and there is still no separation. I was reading around and someone said to add more d-limo in this type of situation because it will pull the stuck d-limo out of the emulsion. I also read to add soda wash to it and it will convert some of the calcium hydroxide to lye and help separate the d-limo. I have 500ml of d-limo left.

If I add more d-limo and it still does not separate can I add the vinegar to the whole thing and decant the vinegar layer with a turkey baster or syringe? And also as a related question If I have a lot of vinegar can I boil it down or at least heat it up a bit via double boiling without destroying the mescaline? I know people boil cactus tea. Thanks Everyone for reading. I have been wanting pure mescaline for some time now and don't want this to be a waste! This is a great forum and I look forward to participation in this community.

Hi everyone!
My friend had his second attempt at an extraction from about 1.5kg's of acacia acuminata bark. The first attempt was not very successful with very yellow sticky powder being the outcome and only about 500 mg's of it from about 2kg's of bark!
This time my friend tried everything very carefully but ended up realising what the problem was half way through.
My friend is using the DMT handbook extraction tek. He got to the siphoning part which is the part where he had trouble before.

In the tek the person who made the tek shows how much shellite he got out of the siphoning which looked to be about 1L after using about 1 L of shellite.
My friends problem is that he is only getting very small amounts of the shellite separating from the solution after shaking it and as such only resulted in getting about 100ml of shellite out of the siphoning. His thinking is that maybe there is some solids (powdered bark residue) stuck in the solution since the filtering method used before boiling the bark tea into 2 L is not very good and also the bark was made into literally a power finer then sand.

He is thinking that the powder got through the filtering method and into the product he is trying to siphon and it takes about 30 minutes for the shellite to properly separate. Whereas the guide says 5 minutes for waiting for the layers to separate, after 5 minutes only about 20% of the correct amount of shellite has separated.
So he has done 3 pulls with shellite resulting in a small 200ml so he did one more and waited for 1 hour giving about another 200 ml. Another problem is there seems to be black stuff sticking to the inside of the container he is trying to siphon which actually blocks the view of the shellite which means he has to guess when the siphon has sucked all the black liquid out and just pull it out at random, could this be the black solid material that is causing the shellite difficulty in separating?


Now that he knows the problem he still has the solution which probably has more DMT in it but because it has now become room temperature is it completely useless? Or is he able to filter it properly, warm it up, and do a couple more pulls with some more shellite?

Also if I the tek used 2kg's of bark and did 3 acid cooks and then boiled the bark tea down into 2 L's should my friend who used 1.5kg's of bark just boil down the tea into 1.5L's? Should the shellite be downgraded also?

Sorry for some many questions, obviously my friend is new to this.

Also can anyone recommend the best filtering cloth? All my friend has been able to find is cheese cloth which is obviously not working.