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#801 Posted : 11/5/2009 12:18:09 PM

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Astralking wrote:
Just done first extraction and was wondering HOW fine the bark has to be. Mine was pre powdered but still had alot of the stringy crap and i thought it would be ok just to put it in like that because it would break apart in the liquid? This will be ok yes?

Suppose there evaping now so, only time will tell but reassurance is always good.

MHRB not ground to the absolute powder is totally fine, no prob with extraction. Anyone who has powdered the bark themselves will almost always find "stringy crap" (or fibers so to speak) that will not powderise easily and they can be separated through a sieve to give you the fine powder and the fibers. In your case, the vendor just did not shift the powdered bark through a sieve, so you got a mixture of the powder and the fibers.

which is totally ok of course.


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#802 Posted : 11/5/2009 12:47:50 PM

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yeah dont worry fiber is perfectly fine Smile
 
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#803 Posted : 11/5/2009 10:39:20 PM

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One more question Very happy

In my first extraction i got a tinnyyyyy bit of the root bark black slime in my baking dish, but poured off the naphtha and now theres no visible black sludge at all. I am guessing since they wont mix, this means that there was no lye/root bark in the solution if it is not at all visible? I really hope so Razz
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#804 Posted : 11/6/2009 1:35:24 AM

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Quick question guys.
My friend wants to know if theres a huge difference in quality when doing straight evaporation vs Freeze precipitation

Has freeze precipitated 3 batches already but has one that is being stubborn and is refusing to precip, He understands it must be too dilute but has already evaporated mixture down by a lot and still no freeze precip (It was a combined container of pulls 2 and 3 together, was an accident). If he just evaporatees its and skips freeze precip will this effect the quality or quantity of crystal he gets?

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#805 Posted : 11/9/2009 5:12:09 PM

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It seems to be evaping gets a larger yield of more yellow spice and freeze prep gets less whiter spice. Different people prefer different types but from reading up it seems that it makes little difference what color it is when it comes to potency. The only thing that the color seems to effect is the harshness.

Then again i'm just going on what i've read.
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#806 Posted : 11/9/2009 6:20:30 PM

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How does SWIM do defatting ? SWIM is using Marsofold's tek and extracting from Phragmites.
 
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#807 Posted : 11/11/2009 3:55:30 AM

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hello swims, quick question(s),

I am about to start the Marsofold tek, except I am using 113 grams of MHRB (which is a quarter of a pound)

Do I simply just adjust the rest of the measurements in the tek accordingly? (just quarter them?)

Thanks in advance.

Also I know this is a difficult/vague question, but just off the top of your head how much spice do you think I will get? This is my first time extracting dmt, but I have done other extractions.... thanks again
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#808 Posted : 11/11/2009 5:04:15 AM

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Yeah just quarter them.
Typical MHRB yields are from .5-1%.
 
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#809 Posted : 11/11/2009 6:41:42 AM

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Noman wrote:
Yeah just quarter them.
Typical MHRB yields are from .5-1%.


awesome, thank you. I'll be trying the Noman's tek next!
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#810 Posted : 11/15/2009 11:53:24 PM

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Another question...

One of my pulls has left me with a yellowish oil, which freezes into a dirty yellow crushed ice kind of thing. I'm going to try adding some warm naptha, any other suggestions?
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#811 Posted : 11/16/2009 12:14:27 AM

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nightowl wrote:
Another question...

One of my pulls has left me with a yellowish oil, which freezes into a dirty yellow crushed ice kind of thing. I'm going to try adding some warm naptha, any other suggestions?

which solvent were you using?
if it's toluene\xylene,then the yellow gooey is a mixture of n,n - dmt, n-oxide, jungle spice and some plant oils
try completely dry it and pull with hexane or naphtha, then evaporate naptha.that will result only dmt
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#812 Posted : 11/16/2009 12:36:02 AM

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nadir wrote:
which solvent were you using?


Only naptha, which is why I don't understand how it froze?

Should I let it evaporate how it is or add in some warm naptha?
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#813 Posted : 11/16/2009 12:43:24 AM
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Is your collection vessel sealed? Or is it possible water came in from the freezer???
 
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#814 Posted : 11/16/2009 1:13:52 AM

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super sealed. but if there's no other possibility that anyone knows of it's probably water.
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#815 Posted : 11/16/2009 10:45:42 AM

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Astralking wrote:
It seems to be evaping gets a larger yield of more yellow spice and freeze prep gets less whiter spice. Different people prefer different types but from reading up it seems that it makes little difference what color it is when it comes to potency. The only thing that the color seems to effect is the harshness.

Then again i'm just going on what i've read.
The higher yield of evaping means little when you consider the vast majority of the extra yield is useless impurities. The colour comes from a degradation product of DMT.
 
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#816 Posted : 11/26/2009 12:43:42 AM

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Hey everybody!! I have a quick question concerning my pedro extractions (done with 69ron's d-limonene tek), though i'm sure this would apply to other extracts in general. 69ron comments on cleaning the pedro extract with MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) to separate the mescaline from the rest of the alkaloids. this works like a charm! the thing i can't figure out is: i started with 650 mgs. crude extract, applied MEK, moved the MEK solution to another plate while the mescaline was left behind in the first plate. i dehydrated both plates so that one is pure mescaline and one is a composite of all the other alkaloids. upon scraping up my goods i find i have 220 mgs. pure mescaline and 250 mgs. other alkaloids. that's a total of 470 mgs. I started with 650 mgs. where the heck did the other 180 mgs. go??? I scraped the plates well enough so that there couldn't possibly be 180 mgs. left behind on the plates. I thought that there should be round-a-bout the same amount before and after since I didn't throw any MEK away, I merely relocated it to another plate.
I've gotten the same results with a torch extract: started with 944 mgs. then after separating the alkaloids ended up with 712 mgs. without throwing any MEK away! I didn't think goo, tar, and alkaloids evaporated into thin air!
What do y'all think??? any comments...
 
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#817 Posted : 11/26/2009 12:59:28 AM
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Dragon, it sounds like your mescaline may be so potent that it broke the law of conservation of mass.Smile Other than that, I don't know.
 
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#818 Posted : 11/26/2009 4:52:21 PM
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Hey

SWIM has done one MHRB Straight to Base extraction with my non polar solvent being; Perma Lighter Fluid. However has done a bufotenine recently and has lots of 99% IPA left.

SWIM was curious if SWIM could use the 99% IPA as a substitute non polar solvent in his next extraction of DMT

Thanks.
 
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#819 Posted : 11/27/2009 2:59:07 PM

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No sorry you cant.

IPA is soluble in water, so if you were to add IPA to the MHRB and lye solution it would not form the layer on top and you would not be able to collect the IPA.

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#820 Posted : 12/16/2009 11:33:08 PM

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Hi SWIY's... long time follower, first time poster here. First of all, this site has been the single most useful community SWIM has ever come across!
The etiquite in this forum is absolutely amazing Smile

Swim's question is regarding the d-limo tech for san pedro. Swim managed a yield of 550mgs from 100g but only managed a slight giddiness for a few hours? Maybe twas the LSD from a few days ago, maybe it was highly impure... not enough experimentation has been done, BUT, SWIM found a jar that still had limo and vinegar in it hidden away in the cupboard. It must have been there for at least a week and what SWIM noticed was that the Limo had gone from a translucent yellow to a nearly completelyy clear color, whilst the vinegar had become very cloudy. SWIMS understanding of the TEK was that one would agitate the jar for 5 mins then decant the vinegar, but SWIM did at least 4 pulls and never had the limo change color? Is SWIM right in thinking that the color change indicates the transfer of all the alkaloids from base to acid?

Appreciate all the help SWIM can get Embarrased
 
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