Yes drinking it, this current batch im drinking you need 120grams of white vine for a good expereince, whereas the last white vine brew I made 70g was a strong dose, my ayahuasca brews are never consistent thats why you need to work your way up. Ive heard people blown away with 40g so you really need to know your own brew

I've got some of this on the way.

Ordering RC's makes me feel a little dirty inside, but I've read too much good things here to let this one pass me by. I've never tried ketamine or anything even remotely similar so of course I'm highly curious!

Sounds very interesting!

Gutted! One of the things I like most about K is dancing with it.

Anyone have some good setting advice for this one?

When I experimented with K I would only do it in my bed, it's probably a good starting point

Yeah I certainly don't imagine going bowling is on the cards.

I was more curious of the fine details like things you like to have close to your person for comfort, lighting, temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, distance from a politician... etc

Actually, you'd be surprised, once you get to know k, you can have fun with it pretty much anywhere. Bowling on k would be hilarious I'm sure.

To start though, you might want to be lying in bed, and if meditation is your thing it does go very well with k. Have a blanket over you because you might drift off and not move for the next 45 minutes. In this context I prefer as little sensory stimuli as possible, so silent darkness. Maybe pee beforehand and have a glass of water nearby, so you'll be comfortable staying put.

One thing to check out if you do find silent darkness - when k comes on, try and listen to your brainwave. Yes, they're audible, they're very high-pitched, like a high electricity noise. If you can spot them, focus on them, you'll notice them geting louder and louder and more high pitched. These are apparently your beta waves intensifying, the same that intensify during profound meditation or sleep. Follow this sound into your trip and you're off...

This is how I used to do k. That being said, I now do it with friends on the tail end of mdma, and combine it with Nitrous. That combo is crazy, and if you're with good friends with whom you're not afraid to roll around and get silly, it's a ton of fun. Do have carpets and blankets and furs and pillows on hand

Can't wait to try m-ket, sounds very intriguing.

From what folks have told me who have tried K, and from experiences I've heard about K, MXE is nothing like K. It is very social, it increases your focus, at the higher end it can get quite trippy with your thoughts, but overall a very manageable high.

If I had to compare the high of MXE to anything, and this may sound horrible, it'd be opiates and cocaine together. The strange audio hallucinations at higher doses, the body being numb and feeling as though you are floating on a cloud, the increased awareness. Seems to have everything that heroin/cocaine together would have, but without all the paranoia.

I feel it could be very addictive.

MXE has an opioid glow (but whether its mu-receptor mediated or not, Im not sure) but the comparison between MXE and opioids with cocaine I dont think is accurate.MXE is a pretty unique compound with more than a hint of the dissociatives but little in common with coca derivatives,IMHO.If youve no tolerance to it, 45mg up the nose is not very sociable at all.

SWIM has experimented with this three times now, and only the last time did she begin approaching the psychedelic dissociative space. Lower doses reminded her of a pleasant comedown from K, without any of the nausea of moving around a lot. With the stronger dose, she didn't k-hole, but started having memory overlaps and shifting into alternate timelines, confusing dreams from the night before with events that had actually happened.

This only came during the peak, and lasted for maybe 20-minutes, but was exactly the headspace she was hoping for when first hearing about MXE.

I guess it's more of an opinion from someone who used to use them IV in conjunction with one another, if you've ever mainlined cocaine, it's very similar, vision shaking, audio hallucinations, increased heart rate, and then the body high MXE has is very similar, maybe not the same level of warmth as heroin, but definitely very similar in terms of feel.

45mg!? Up the nose?! I'd never take that high of a dose - perfectly content at 20mg and thinks things become pointless and confusing at higher doses than this. Heck, even the peak of a 20mg oral dose is a bit much for social situations. Maybe I'm just looking for something else from the substance, but it is a very social drug at around 15 to 20mg - would love to hear reports of any higher doses, but I generally enjoy being coherent and having well structured thoughts, I think I learn far more from interacting with people than I do losing my mind.

I've never used H or mainlined cocaine, but there has to be similarities I can definitely see that. thanks for your experience nramz. the point about dosage here though, there is no point comparing one persons dose to another's, when I first did it 10mg was fine, now much higher dosages but also there seems to be quite a large difference in tolerance among people to dissociatives, previous use with other drugs, there is even some speculation regarding the 3methoxies and genetics.

Oh and regards addiction, I'll be honest, I do find the experience compelling, and I've been doing it twice a week for a few months now.. but the frequency of usage hasn't gone up... and when I first started doing it last year I was doing it every other day for about 2 weeks.. I don't think it's good to have such a habit, but MXE really hasn't stopped paying out for me... every time I do it I get some deep revelation about myself, and I can't front on the fact that it has made me quit smoking nicotine and marijuana, that's really saying something for me.

one more important point, and I don't know why this is, but MXE really didn't blow me away until the 3rd time I did it. also MXE requires some effort to make it really amazing, I've realised that if you focus your mind for a while it starts to open up and then you take control, and that's incredible... when I dosed orally in the week I found myself travelling within myself and the more I focused with eyes closed, the more control I got and the deeper it got... I was listening to the Royal Tannenbaum soundtrack and that really worked, actually soundtracks work really well in general...

Definitely indoors for your first try, this is actually a tough question in general and you'll know why once you've done it... because it's such a versatile chemical for me, it becomes a party drug in a party, it's a relaxant when I'm lying down, if I want to get up and dance it's incredible and I do that.... at first I thought it was a super laid back drug like k, then I gave my friend some saying "you've got to try this shit", became his sitter for the evening, prepared some good tunes, gave him a pillow to lay down on my coach... to my surprise he became super animated and started dancing around the room.. didn't go to plan

Does it like iboga, cause insomnia?

I can't fall asleep on methoxetamine, but I can on low doses of iboga. I did 90 mgs over a couple hours my first try with MXE and it wasn't very remarkable at all. It was a nice body buzz, no visuals, no real insights or anything special. I find ketamine way better than MXE. I can go deeper, it doesn't last as long, is way more visual and everything seems way more significant. I have a huge tolerance to ketamine, so perhaps I just need way more MXE, however, I am a bit afraid to try to get where I'd like to on it since there is no real data on it. I have yet to try any RC that has come close to any of the naturals or LSD. I am almost ready to give up on the whole RC thing.

you might want to give it another chance... like I said, 3rd time was best for me, and if you're not getting anything then somthing isn't right... because MXE blows ketamine out of the water for me, not at low dosage, I'm pretty experienced with ketamine and 4-meo-pcp... if you have a ket tolerance then you have a tolerance for MXE as well.

Here begineth...

22:09 - 30mg 2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone (The name methoxetamine is lame.. get back to formula on that one ) administered intranasally, laying down in bed with relaxed music. No burn as such, but a definite tingle.

22:13 - something a little strange that I can’t really put my finger on, possibly placebo.

22:18 slight drift in awareness. A feeling I could pretend to be a stone for hours, but can still function as normal if I choose to.

22:21 Text on screen seems to be moving slowly to the left.

22:25 Just went for a little walk to get a glass of water. It’s seems pretty normal atm, if maybe a little floaty until I have to turn a corner. Then I get the feeling I’m running on a slow glitchy OS and my mind isn’t quite where my body is at. This last sentence was edited 2x as I couldn’t figured out whether the mind or body was ahead so… definite cognitive effects apparent at this stage.

22:30 Warm and cosy… Hard to place though as not a warm and cosy I have felt before. Not amazingly warm or amazingly cosy, but still early days I guess. Music’s pretty damn good…

22:35 Could quite happily dance to this. It still feels quite friendly and there’s nothing overfacing about it.

22:48 Just went to talk to a few people and I was rather inquisitive, wanting to solve the most minute of problems with a sympathetic ear.

22:49 Now I am sat down I have the feeling I am rising. Thoughts keep looping so I’m going to go outside for a while for external stimulation. Back soon.

22:54 Didn’t quite get outside. Went to pee then thought it worthy of noting that I am feeling an emotional analysis of all my actions and how I think others would feel about them. Very interesting stuff.

22:56off outside now.

23:04 I was quite indifferent to the cold outside. Though it was quite introspective and lonely. I imagine it would be nice to do this with a close friend.

23:06 I’m just going to enjoy some music now.

23:18 Keep switching between lying on back and bouncy feet to the sounds of Son Kite colours remixed. CEV’s seem like 3d cubes charted on graph paper. There’s a black square to my left and a rotating rainbow line. Nice fuzzy feeling in legs. I feel the need to comment that this is a weird experience. Nowhere even in the same ball park as weird as say DMT and salvia for that all-out weird factor, but I really have nothing to compare this too having never taken disassociatives before. However I can confirm the effect to be rather disassociating.... go figure.

23:32 The weirdness has subsided a little and I feel a bit more up to performing regular tasks… that said I probably was all along. Ha!

I can see where this is going and I’m getting a little bored of commenting on my every action and the duty to type is detracting from the experience, though I think I’ve served my purpose here.

Will comment more later.

1:44 Still a little in that sort of head space. This stuff turns me into Freud. Not like a sick weirdo kind of Freud, but the analytical questioning kind. I seem to be able to pull conversations out of people from what would just be a passing greeting. Quite quick to the line as well which I definately wasn't expecting from a substance so closely related to ketamine.

3:45 It's pretty touching base right now. The last 2 hours were spent listening to music.

This is definately worthwhile material for the problem solving mind. I'm pretty sure to those that understand the value of the experience it could become a classic. I'm certainly looking forward to upping the dose, however next time I think I will dose in company as I'd love to converse with another mind under the influence.

Has anyone else noticed that the loss of coordination and diminished motor skills is only perceived to be so and not actually?
It's a very odd feeling that I have trouble describing but even though there is a drunkenness the fact is I have much better balance and stability while on methoxetamine. The most I've ever done was 90mg (3x30mg per hour) and even at that dose, and others below it, I was very capable of doing certain one-legged yoga positions and stretches that I am normally able to do but not with the ease that I am able while on methoxetamine.
Hopefully this is making sense.
So anyone else notice this apparent lowered center of gravity while on MXE?