When one is working with caapi leaves, is extract recommended?

I believe that methanol is the best solvent for working with harmalas in general. You can find it in the auto dept. at Wal Mart as HEET. The yellow bottle is methanol and the red bottle is ISO. You want the yellow bottle.

If you want to make some 10x caapi, take 10g of powdered leaves and put them in a glass jar/container. Then fill the container with the HEET, enough to cover the leaves with plenty of extra on top.

Shake the hell out of it once a day for 30 days. Then filter and evaporate the solution onto 1g of fresh caapi leaves.

Once everything is evaporated, you can add spice to it at a 1:1 ratio.

Please keep in mind that the 1g of fresh caapi will now be more like 2g of 10x caapi since it soaked up all the extra alkaloids.

You could do a regular extraction on them but I don't have any first hand experience with it so I can't say for sure how it would turn out.

Swim has used heet there are other chemicals in heet then methanol and swim won't use it again it doesn't Evap clean in swims experience.

Swim just uses everclear... Works fine every time...

Yeah, I always try to do an IPA wash after I use HEET just to be on the safe side.

I should have mentioned in my previous post that methanol is toxic and needs to be fully evapp'd.

I've tried to find the MSDS sheet on heet with no luck. I'd really like to know what else they put in there.

Would using 91% IPA to evap the spice onto the desired herb be okay?

Does GVG vaporize all the spice out of the changa, or should one just smoke it?

And can one use good 40% vodka for making of changa? thanks

Yup, spice dissolves just fine in IPA. That last 9% is usually just water (you might want to double check) so it will take a little longer to evap at the end.

I usually use a shotglass for the initial evap and once that mostly dries up, I'll move it to a baking dish to finish drying out the rest of the way. Just to make sure that all traces of the solvent are out of the herb.

Something to keep in mind as well... If harmalas aren't also infused to the leaf, it's not changa. It's just enhanced leaf. Harmalas are critical for changa.

It takes quite a few hits to get everything out of the GVG when using changa. I could be wrong here but I believe that the spice vaporizes a lot better than the harmalas do. So when you are finished vaping it's probably worth while to save it to smoke later in a mild changa joint or something.

I'm not sure if 40% vodka would suffice or not. If I were an ethanol guy I'd personally go with a higher proof like Everclear if you can get it.

This is definitely SWIM's experience. Once she's done journeying on the spice, she'll cook the changa in the GVG and suddenly get a cloud of harmalas.

I have found this:
http://www.bplite.com/vi...opic.php?f=38&t=1329
Hope this helps

Yes, this does help a lot. Thank you very much.



That's awesome. Iso-Heet used to be 99% isopropyl but they've recently started adding a fuel injector cleaner to it. It's pretty clearly labeled but I do not recommend the new stuff with the extra additives. I hope they don't change the regular heet.

I've just made my first changa mixture and tested a little bit out.. all i have to say is holy mother of (expletive deleted).

the last time i vaped spice I blacked out from too much I believe. So this time i went in a little too casually than i should have after my changa dried..

My Recipe (with help from others, thank you )
about a 1:1.8 ratio if im correct.. (spice to herb)

prepared some menstruum (sp?) first. (thanks house)
soaked 10g powdered caapi in 100ml of 70% Isopropyl Alcohol just shy of a month. about 3.5 weeks. That was the base of my MAOI.

My herb mixture:
about 80% mullein, 10% lavender buds and 10% sage. Totaling about 8 or 9/10g

then weighed out .6g of spice. I used a glass about 2" in diameter so my leaf mixture would sit 5-10mm high like the tek instructed. took out the herbs, poured some of the IPA/caapi solution into the glass. volume about equal to the leaf mixture. then dissolved the spice, added back the herbs and slowly added more IPA, enough to cover the herbs well..

Then i set it under a fan and it was mostly dry in a couple hours.. that was last night. I got home from work around noon and it looked pretty dry with the fan off.. so i took a tiny pinch and loaded it into my bong.. i was just looking for threshold effects so i know that it worked.

well i mustve had more than enough lol.. almost immediately after clearing the bong and all the plant material i got a quicker than usual body rush, followed shortly by my carrier wave. and boy did all this happen quicker than usual.. it startled me a bit and i knew if i held in my hit any longer i was going to be somewhere i wasnt ready to be. so i exhaled only after about 5 seconds..

i did have some light visuals and my carpet morphing shapes.. and combined with the caapi it had slightly longer lasting effects.. but man was that so sudden and intense.. deep breathing seemed to enhance it also..

when some say thats the only way to fly i know why now.. no fiddling with crystals, weighing, not even a vape needed.. just pack and go..

I just wish i knew some experienced spice users that i could speak to in general (and in person. you guys are great though ), but to my not surprise, the few people i mention it to have never heard of it or are either not close in friendship with.. so i am trying to learn as i go and teach when i can to those that are interested..

thanks for all the support nexus.. safe travels..

not to pick a fight by any means, I just dont understand this whole dimissing of crystals. I personally think that changa is a million times better than any other smoking method, espeically since the awesome effect of harmalas and herbs general is synthesizing with the dmt experience.
However, Id just like to adress the fact that smoking dmt crystals is an extremely easy feat. Ive smoked it off tinfoil a thousand times with fantastic results
(although Ive begun as of lately to feel as if tinfoil is actually a huge disrespect to this powerful psychedelic by attaching such a nasty stigma to the experience, so ive ditched that idea).
Ill im saying here is I really dont understand why ppl are saying changa is by any means easier than smoking crystals. It certainly takes more effort to prepare.
I really believe that newbies should begin by experimenting solely with the crystals... and allow some time to develop a fuller understanding of the chemical and its power first before jumping into other methods of smoking.
It just seems to be like theres this giant array of negativity towards using the crystals as they are (in freebase) and I feel that it sometimes stirs people away from really giving it a go and giving it the time it deserves in experimentation too.
poor crystals, deserve appreciation too

You dissolve the crystals in acetone or IPA and put in leaves. While literally more effort, it's not really.

Maybe it's psychological, but the people SWIM has introduced to DMT had a much easier time getting technique down for changa that those who tried crystal.

As the regular attendees of the Nexus may have noticed ( ), I can vouch for the effectiveness of chasing DMT on foil too!I dont attach any stigma too it, as for me its simply another ROA, but the GVG is a superior delivery device than the foil.Foil seems to work best, IME, with the results of Vovins tek-certainly more so than with full spectrum via BLAB.

So, I have all of the herbs I need to make various Changa blends, but right now I don't have any harmalas. Would it be a total waste to make a blend with just a few herbs and DMT? Or should I wait until I can get some harmalas extracted? It seems that changa would be a nice smoking method even without the MAOI.

Its called enhanced leaf if there is no MAOI... MAOI is essential for Changa. Enhanced leaf will produce a 'standard' DMT freebase experience.

Right, I guess what I am asking is - would making enhanced leaf help in the smoking of DMT? It seems that it could insulate and provide a substrate for the DMT.

^ I've read that yes it makes it easier to handle and dose. Simply smoke it like weed.

My question is, is there loss in DMT when soaking in iso alcohol? The reason I ask is because I am getting really low and want to try and make a single dose of enhanced leaf. So if I took some mullien and dream herb and enhanced a small amount of it with a single dose of DMT, like say 25mg, would this be a bad idea or has anyone tried it?

I want to try it with some calea and mullien. I have 99% isopropyl alcohol

You don't loose much when you infuse leaf but I'm not sure it would be worth doing for a single serving.

Might be worth waiting til you have a little more DMT.