Hey people just wondering how necessary it is to evap 1/2 the shellite (naptha) in the freeze precip step in the Lex Tek?, will not evaping leave some Alk in solution?

opposablethumb, edited Lex Tek:

3 acid cooks, combined and reduced to ~3L (Instead of vinegar use about 1/2 - 1 teaspoon of hydrochloric, sulphuric, or phosphoric acid)
Let sit for 20 mins in the HDPE jug
Basify with 200 grams of NaOH
3 x shellite extractions (300mL x 2 then 400mL)
-don't fan evap (you might be losing some to the sides of the dish)
Freeze precip
done

I also highly suggest you have a go at making enhanced leaf, if your near a HHH go get some pau darco.

Thanks SD

Why not vinegar?

Nowhere near a HHH lucky they are online FOAF was thinking bout calea & maybe adding equal part harmala alk to Dimitri.

Works better and is easier, you only need half to one teaspoon instead of half a jug of vinegar.

Sounds good, but get some pau darco as well and make around a 1:1 or 2:3 mix with it and you'll be amazed. Highly highly suggest the pau darco

For 4, how would SWIM go about washing with sodium carbonate?
SWIM assumes by following the steps outlined in Vovin's tek but would just like to make sure.

Depends on how much shellite you used to extract the alkaloids. If there is an excess of shellite you won't get much crashing out. I guess one way to find out is to stick it in the freezer. If it doesn't get cloudy within 6-8 hours, you should probably evap some of it.



Simply add 50% more water, acid, lye, and naphtha. Skip the ammonia wash you will loose a lot of perfectly good spice. Instead if you really want to do a wash check out the threads here for much better washes (which really are not 100% necessary). I suggest recrystalization instead of a wash (or both if you are really comfortable with the process). Also I always use a bit less naphtha per pull, but end up doing more pulls.

For 4, how would SWIM go about washing with sodium carbonate?
SWIM assumes by following the steps outlined in Vovin's tek but would just like to make sure. [/quote]


Well what I do is mix up some SC in warm water, add the solvent and mix well. No need to worry about emulsions. I seperate with my home-made sep funnel but siphoning will work fine.

Hi Guys.

SWIM just performed her first extraction...noman's tek. Seems to have worked well with about a gram of yellowish crystals.

She's at a point now where she feels like she could use some advice:

SWIM has done about five 200ml naphtha pulls on 200g of mimosa and then freeze precipitated. From poking around here, SWIM may have used more naphtha than was necessary.
So what should she do with all this leftover naphtha? If she evaporated a lot of the naphtha and then freezed again for a few days, would goodies fall out? Or should SWIM maybe do another pull with xylene?

She told me that she knows a gram is normal for a 200g batch, but this was supposed to be a special batch of bark that certainly looked the part.

Any advice on what SWIM should do now?

Sure. Evap it down a bit and stick it back in there for a while to see what you get. Couldn't hurt

Im new here, joined 5min ago. I have a question regarding the extraction. ive been lookin around and did a lot of reading. can one use bleach or how about drano as the base for an A/B extraction. using powdered mimosa. i also have naptha on hand. very interested in DMT, will be first time. any help thanks in advance.

do NOT use either one of those(bleach or drano) do NOT!

you can use sodium carbonate which you can make from sodium bicarbonate which is baking soda

here is a link to a thread that spells out how easy it is...all it takes is putting it in the oven for a bit..

http://www.dmt-nexus.me/....aspx?g=posts&t=1748

Questions before SWIM does his second extraction (first didn't turn out so well, didn't even know about this site at the time)

He's going to be doing nomans STB, small quantities of rb at a time (50g or so) just to get the hang of things. SWIM was wondering if some nice people would verify a few things for him.

1) Its better to use less solvent and more pulls, than lots of solvent and less pulls.
2) When doing the pulls, warming the soup and solvent in a water bath would be a good idea.
3) Not really something that needs verified, more like a question. What is the best solvent to use - heptane, xylene, or naptha and do the quantities used need to be changed depending on which one SWIM uses. Also if its anything other than naptha can they also be bought at a hardware store in the paint thinner/stripper section? (is there a best brand?)

1 - Yes. Less solvent and more pulls mean concentrated yields of clean spice in the first jars and diminishing yields of oilier in the last. Eventually the solvent will just cloud and not precip and you know you're done.

2 - Heat is great for helping alks into the NP but it also drives in other gunk that one will need to clean out. So wait until one starts to see diminishing returns in the precip and heat the solution for the last pull. Don't bother heating the NP, just heat the solution to 100f or so and add a double shot of NP.

3 - My friend usually does three or four naptha pulls followed by a warm naptha pull followed by a toluene pull. He uses heptane to further separate the extracts.

Thanks a lot Jorkest. SWIM will be getting some baking soda some time soon, and will post his results of extraction when started.

SWIM thanks you kindly!

Hello all, I just asked a couple of questions at the end of my "Bartoline Low Odour..." thread that I'd be really grateful if you could have a look at

http://www.dmt-nexus.me/...s&m=24888&#24888

Does all of the dmt in MHRB naturally start off as the salt dmt tannin?

In another thread there is talk of using acetone to wash it first because dmt salts will not dissolve.

Is there possibly any alkaline dmt (like natural morphine in poppy pods) or freebase dmt in the root bark? If so the acetone would wash that all out.

I have read here about dmt oxide (not exact name) which is a oil that won't rextal. Sounds like it would be very soluble in NPs and maybe acetone. Is the amount of oxidized dmt worth it to chase after?

swim has a question or two.

swim is doing a stb extraction on 200g of mhrb following nomans tek. The pulls were done in pairs of two mostly because swim had things to do after the first two were done and restarted this morning. The first two pulls looked promising, after checking on them last night before bed they had been in the freezer for about an hour and a half to two hours. They were very foggy white. This morning they were clearer with just a teeny tiny visible crystal floating in each of them. swim decided to evaporate half of the volume from each and try freeze precipitating again.

1) swim is thinking about combining both pulls into a single jar after they have evaporated enough, is there any reason why this shouldn't be done?

swim thinks the problem with the first two pulls was he didn't agitate well enough. it has been read that it takes a minute or two between agitations for the naphtha to completely reseparate from the soup and swim noted that it was never mixed together well enough to require a wait time for the two to seperate. swim hopes to have corrected this on the third and fourth pull.

2) swim would like to know if the above line of thought might have some merit?

A friend of mine was speculating about the lazyman's tek, so of course some experimentation was in order.

4oz (~100 grams) of MHRB was ground in a coffee grinder and soaked in lye solution overnight. The next day, the solution was stirred and mashed for about 30 minutes, and 200ml of Ace naptha was added. After some more stirring, the naptha separated out and was removed with a turkey baster. 200ml more naptha was then added to the purple/brown MHRB/lye solution, while the separated naptha was evaporated away.

The naptha process was repeated 3 more times for a total of 4 pulls.

The result of evaporation was some yellowish substance with some visible crystals inside.

Weighed on a MyWeigh i101 (5mg balance) says that the total weight of extracted spice is ~550mg. This doesn't make sense, however. Given the amount of MHRB I'd have expected ~100mg of spice.

Any ideas on what else might have ended up in the spice according to the technique described? Theoretically speaking, how might one correct this?

I think my friend got confused. He should have ended up with about 1000mg if he'd gotten anywhere near 1% as folks are discussing in the stickied threads on yields.

Still, he wonders, what's with all the yellow?