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Lindsay Lohan used ayahuasca to recover from her miscarriage Options
 
Bill Cipher
#41 Posted : 4/26/2014 11:00:08 PM

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This was in my Gmail alert box last week....( I have no clue who these people are, apparently they are famous )
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Yeah, that's great. Any press is good press, right?

FYI - My "no offense intended" remark was probably stated with sarcasm. If I call you a rube, I'm probably aware I'm offending you. And my "I will butt out now" is probably meaningless, because I most likely won't be able to control and contain my contempt for your rubiosity.

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null24 wrote:
This was in my Gmail alert box last week....( I have no clue who these people are, apparently they are famous )
/katy-perrys-new-man-diplo-violent-dmt-smoking-convicted-criminal.htmConfused


Yeah, that's great. Any press is good press, right?

FYI - My "no offense intended" remark was probably stated with sarcasm. If I call you a rube, I'm probably aware I'm offending you. And my "I will butt out now" is probably meaningless, because I most likely won't be able to control and contain my contempt for your rubiosity.


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Yes, Art, we all read this Sub-Clause when we signed on, and we know when you call someone an ignorant fool (by using a cutesy word), that you mean it.
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#43 Posted : 4/26/2014 11:20:24 PM

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Any press is not good press.

Art, I am with you when it comes to how the press works, but I'm not in favor of your tactics within our group.

The people here are here because we have Dug deeper than mainstream. Like it or not, we do take part in the mainstream world(whether we like it/admit it or not). We are all at different levels of understanding of our Worlds. Some of us have alienated the mainstream world, some mingle, some are full throttle main stream.

I also understand your position. At heart, I'm there too. In reality, all people are at different levels of understanding. To really make a strong move, we should work within all worlds.

Do I think aya/dmt is ready for main stream? It doesn't matter what I think.

Let's work together to make a smooth transition.
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#44 Posted : 4/26/2014 11:26:36 PM

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I think if Nancy grace took a healthy dose we might get somewhere. Or she would go crazy and get all Nazi on DMT as well.

lol I see this futile attack on art creating a fun time in this thread. I await patiently and eagerly. Although I can see everyone is real cautious cause they know arts tactics. Careful guys!

I love you art. You bring a zest to this forum that I would dearly miss if you ever left.
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#45 Posted : 4/27/2014 1:43:57 AM

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But see, this is the thing. So many here eschew the mainstream and hold it in utter contempt, while at the same time celebrating the slightest sign that it may in some way accept them. What I am saying is that there is a difference between mainstream culture and tabloid culture - and to those of you who are so gung-ho to reject it all out of hand, I don't think you see the distinction.

Lindsay Lohan is tabloid culture, and not a molecule more. She exists for your voyeuristic entertainment - so you can watch her sad, fish faced decline and revel in its trashiness. This may sound harsh, except that she is an entirely willing co-conspirator, and when she's found in a dumpster we'll all boohoo and then move on to some new human train wreck. There's no redeeming social value here. She is vapidity incarnate. She's a vacuous, media grubbing whore with a bottomless thirst for attention.

What she isn't is someone you want on your side if you're searching for legitimacy. What she isn't is someone you want spouting benefits to the masses of anything which can result in serotonin syndrome. And Katy Perry? For the love of Vishnu, give me a goddamn break. Do you really think the dipshit she's dating who just mentioned DMT in that tabloid piece has done you any favors? Are you really so desperate to see your lifestyle validated by a meme?

There is nothing elitist about being protective about something you find important, and thinking that seeing DMT mentioned in the tabloid press is anything to feel good about is a naive and misguided assumption.

It's bad, it's bad, it's very bad. Did I mention it's very bad? There's nothing about this that's not very bad. It's bad. It's bad.

It's bad.
 
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#46 Posted : 4/27/2014 1:52:54 AM

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"Lindsay Lohan is tabloid culture"

She is also a real person. The tabloids move around her, but are not her. It's not her fault the world is this way. She is just one single person, who grew up in that tabloid culture.

When we lack the ability to see real people with real lives and real problems, behind the media bs I think we have already lost more than we know.

Long live the unwoke.
 
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#47 Posted : 4/27/2014 1:58:07 AM

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Are you kidding, Jamie? You're the king of "society is bad, everything the modern world has to offer is bad, etc. etc. etc.". This is the one piece of it you're inclined to stand up and fight for?
 
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#48 Posted : 4/27/2014 2:17:39 AM

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Art, we are the same apple. You have seven seeds; me, only five.

Within your 7 seeds, you have different perspectives. Within my 5, different. Together, we are 12 seeds, far more potential for growth than 5 or 7, alone. So, within our 12, can we find a growth that is beneficial for all?

I am a "what if" type guy. What if someone on this forum makes contact with Lohan and offers guidance.... the same guidance that I have been offered, through all of us. The same guidance that you have been offered. The same that we all offer our selves.

Aren't we all creatures of creation and fault?

What if Lohan, who is moldable, can be the Queen ambassador that we need? "What if" only creates a few humble thoughts.... I may just be a dreamer. Maybe I'm just hopeful. I would even call myself rube. I am a country bumpkin. Literally. Maybe not, but who cares - it matters not, who I am. It's beyond me. I am star dust with the ability to move through out this world. Nothing more.

I don't know if this is good or bad, but "what if"? What if I? What if you? What if we?
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But see, this is the thing. So many here eschew the mainstream and hold it in utter contempt, while at the same time celebrating the slightest sign that it may in some way accept them. What I am saying is that there is a difference between mainstream culture and tabloid culture - and to those of you who are so gung-ho to reject it all out of hand, I don't think you see the distinction.

Lindsay Lohan is tabloid culture, and not a molecule more. She exists for your voyeuristic entertainment - so you can watch her sad, fish faced decline and revel in its trashiness. This may sound harsh, except that she is an entirely willing co-conspirator, and when she's found in a dumpster we'll all boohoo and then move on to some new human train wreck. There's no redeeming social value here. She is vapidity incarnate. She's a vacuous, media grubbing whore with a bottomless thirst for attention.

What she isn't is someone you want on your side if you're searching for legitimacy. What she isn't is someone you want spouting benefits to the masses of anything which can result in serotonin syndrome. And Katy Perry? For the love of Vishnu, give me a goddamn break. Do you really think the dipshit she's dating who just mentioned DMT in that tabloid piece has done you any favors? Are you really so desperate to see your lifestyle validated by a meme?

There is nothing elitist about being protective about something you find important, and thinking that seeing DMT mentioned in the tabloid press is anything to feel good about is a naive and misguided assumption.

It's bad, it's bad, it's very bad. Did I mention it's very bad? There's nothing about this that's not very bad. It's bad. It's bad.

It's bad.



 
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#50 Posted : 4/27/2014 2:40:26 AM

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Hmmmm.... Hmmmmmmmmmm....

I don't see this as a good thing or bad thing. It could be bad but I doubt VERY much that anything will even come of this directly from her except that aya is heard about a few extra times. PLANT THE SEED.

I doubt she will be linked to entheogens anywhere near what Joe Rogan has become. That IMO didn't turn out bad and has calmed down quite a bit. There will be some that link aya to bad drug from this and others that won't even remember. Some will learn about it and then that's all. Some will seek it out.

I see this as insignificant right now and think that some of you are kinda jumping the gun a little. I just don't think this will have any actual impact. Just a slight ripple in the ocean of awareness. The more people that know about these drugs the better I say. Then we don't have to wait we can continue spreading real info about it rather than waiting for more people to understand it.

Marijuana is a good example. Everyone knows what it is. Right now the fight is correctly identifying what its neg/pos are and destroying all the incorrect info and myths.

Before that can really happen with entheogens we need more people to know they exists. Then they will have either the wrong or right idea. Then we can start correcting all the wrong info.

Or what we are doing now is attempting to correct the myths slowly as people become more aware. Do not deny yourself of the truth that someday this will all blow up into a bigger thing. It will get mainstream attention way more hardcore then has happened so far. That's when we strike. It may not be by the methods we would like but in the end the correct info will be available and mainstream right along side it.
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#51 Posted : 4/27/2014 2:45:49 AM

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Fair enough. I just find the idea of anyone laboring under the assumption that Lindsay Lohan could be ever be used to legitimize or lend credibility to ANYTHING, to be evidence of a certain level of gullibility.


And to find any human person incapable of redemption--or at a minimum, redeeming qualities--is evidence of a certain level of unreflective cynicism.
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#52 Posted : 4/27/2014 2:50:19 AM

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jamie wrote:
"Lindsay Lohan is tabloid culture"

She is also a real person. The tabloids move around her, but are not her. It's not her fault the world is this way. She is just one single person, who grew up in that tabloid culture.

When we lack the ability to see real people with real lives and real problems, behind the media bs I think we have already lost more than we know.



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Moreover, we are participants in this "tabloid culture," pretending as if these actual people are nothing more than two-dimensional tropes on newstand magazines. This is a person who has been surrounded by the excesses of this culture, from a young age and within an unstable family. I succumb to lesser temptations. She deserves healing, as do we all. She might not maintain her personal insights, but neither do we.
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Hmmmm.... Hmmmmmmmmmm....

I don't see this as a good thing or bad thing. It could be bad but I doubt VERY much that anything will even come of this directly from her except that aya is heard about a few extra times. PLANT THE SEED.

I doubt she will be linked to entheogens anywhere near what Joe Rogan has become. That IMO didn't turn out bad and has calmed down quite a bit. There will be some that link aya to bad drug from this and others that won't even remember. Some will learn about it and then that's all. Some will seek it out.

I see this as insignificant right now and think that some of you are kinda jumping the gun a little. I just don't think this will have any actual impact. Just a slight ripple in the ocean of awareness. The more people that know about these drugs the better I say. Then we don't have to wait we can continue spreading real info about it rather than waiting for more people to understand it.

Marijuana is a good example. Everyone knows what it is. Right now the fight is correctly identifying what its neg/pos are and destroying all the incorrect info and myths.

Before that can really happen with entheogens we need more people to know they exists. Then they will have either the wrong or right idea. Then we can start correcting all the wrong info.

Or what we are doing now is attempting to correct the myths slowly as people become more aware. Do not deny yourself of the truth that someday this will all blow up into a bigger thing. It will get mainstream attention way more hardcore then has happened so far. That's when we strike. It may not be by the methods we would like but in the end the correct info will be available and mainstream right along side it.


I like your progression of discussion, and would like to add: 25years. That's my personal prediction about how long it would take.

In the US, there are many forms of non-for profit organizations. Is anyone legally educated? Specifically in the tax and business area?

What IF there is a loop hole - to create an organization that is non-for- profit, and represented in the diplomatic world, by paying taxes and contributing. What if these main stream out bursts called for the need for our culture to represent as a whole. Who, in the US, would Lobby for DMT? One? Two? Two thousand? Twenty-five thousand? Would you?


Can an organization be formed on an idea? It seems to me that that is how all creation became... An Idea...




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jamie wrote:
"Lindsay Lohan is tabloid culture"

She is also a real person. The tabloids move around her, but are not her. It's not her fault the world is this way. She is just one single person, who grew up in that tabloid culture.

When we lack the ability to see real people with real lives and real problems, behind the media bs I think we have already lost more than we know.



She was busted a few times smashed after she wrecked her vehicle. Her world is a result of her direct actions. She is a grown woman who can change her behaviour. I am not saying anyone is perfect, myself being far from it, but come on... how about a little effort on her part to actually fix herself up instead of doing rehab stints to avoid jail time.

The part that irks me the most about her is her total disregard for other people. So yes, I will gladly pass judgement on her and Chris Brown and Justin Beiber and any one else who uses their position in society to piss down on others, including the %1.
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The real question is...




how the heck do ya'll know so much about lindsay lohan? Wut?

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What does this have to do with judging anyone? I never said anything about not judging her based on unrelated incidents. Judge her all you want, but what does that have to do with her drinking ayahuasca?

She has a problem, and she drank ayahuasca..end of story. What about that is so hard for people to swallow?

Why are people getting angry about it to the point where they are attacking each other?

The media always takes things and twists them around to some agenda. Thats the media. Your so surprised? Dont play off of the media drama.

Because of a typical media article you cant adress each other with some semblance of respect?

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"What is ayahuasca? Lindsay Lohan's 'cleanse' is probably illegal, causes vomiting


When Lindsay Lohan this week announced that she'd had a miscarriage, and that she coped partly with the help of a psychoactive “tea” often called ayahuasca, she underscored how popular the concoction has become in lands far away from its source in the jungles of South America.

She's among several celebrities who say they have turned to ayahuasca in the belief that drinking it can help resolve the confusions of modern life, ease addictions or boost a person’s spiritual and mental well-being. Tourist operations attract customers to South American locations for shamanistic ayahuasca ceremonies, suggesting that Western medicine can't “fix a growing negativity in people’s lives.”

Yet, so far there’s little in the way of gold-standard science supporting the claims for its benefits or any real oversight of “shamans” who claim to be experts in its use. Vomiting and diarrhea are usually part of the experience.

Using it at all in the United States is of questionable legality. A prime active ingredient in ayahuasca is N,N-Dimethyltryptamine, or DMT, a controlled substance in the U.S. That means it’s illegal for most people to import it or possess it.

Ayahuasca, also known as yagé and other names, is made by steeping the pounded stems of a vine and other ingredients in boiling water. Translated roughly as “vine of the soul,” ayahuasca is often called a hallucinogen but it’s really a psychedelic, said Brian T. Anderson, a medical candidate at Stanford University School of Medicine and an expert in medical anthropology. When used according to traditional practices, it causes illusions, he said, but the user is aware of the illusory quality of the experience.

Some users report an opening of the mind that leads to insights. In addition to traditional native ceremonies in the Amazon region, at least two religions, O Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao do Vegetal, and the Church of the Holy Light of the Queen, both with branches in the U.S., use it for this purpose, something akin to the way some Native Americans use peyote. Both groups are allowed to use ayahuasca on religious freedom grounds, said U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration spokesman Rusty Payne.

In his book, "One River," ethno-botanist and author Wade Davis recounted his experience:

“The vomiting came suddenly, a short spasm like a child’s stomach in rebellion, followed almost immediately by a violent retching convulsion. A great stream turned into a serpentine river rushing over black plants and flowing beneath stars and cold winds and colors that turned one into another.”

Ultimately, Davis felt “exhaustion mingle with a deeper sensation, an intuition that what I had experienced, a confusion of random visual and auditory hallucinations without form or substance, was only a crude approximation of something indescribably rich and mysterious.”

For her part, Lohan called the experience "really intense" and said she saw herself die and being born, and that it encouraged her to let go of "the wreckage of my past."

Though vomiting and diarrhea are usually integral parts of an ayahuasca ceremony, consumption of amounts typically used appears to be safe, Anderson said. Although one U.S. teen named Kyle Joseph Nolan died during a ceremony in Peru, Anderson said the risks and possible benefits are "very context dependent.”

“This is not a public health problem like Spice,” the synthetic marijuana that has caused violent outbursts in users, he said.

Anderson, who has taken ayahuasca, describes concentrated introspection “that makes you feel your own feelings and get in touch with your own thoughts in ways people might find surprising.” Users he’s interviewed describe “reverence for whatever religious context it’s taken in.”

While ayahuasca is being explored for use in people fighting a variety of addictions, studies so far have been mostly inconclusive.

And if the vomiting and diarrhea weren't enough to stop you, here are some other warnings: Because of the way ayahuasca appears to work in the brain, people using anti-depressants, especially SSRIs, or serotonin reuptake inhibitors, should avoid it. The brew may also interact with other drugs, and should not be used by anyone with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

Anderson was the lead author and signatory of a 2012 statement in the International Journal of Drug Policy favoring more flexible regulation by the government, but he said he does not favor unrestricted use of ayahuasca as a party drug.

Besides, vomiting and diarrhea aren't exactly what most people look for in a party drug. As mainstream as it gets......


Yet look at how the reporting has improved over the various DMT lab bust reports.

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Uncle Knucles wrote:
Fair enough. I just find the idea of anyone laboring under the assumption that Lindsay Lohan could be ever be used to legitimize or lend credibility to ANYTHING, to be evidence of a certain level of gullibility.


And to find any human person incapable of redemption--or at a minimum, redeeming qualities--is evidence of a certain level of unreflective cynicism.


Point taken. I can possibly be a bit cynical.
 
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What does this have to do with judging anyone? I never said anything about not judging her based on unrelated incidents. Judge her all you want, but what does that have to do with her drinking ayahuasca?

She has a problem, and she drank ayahuasca..end of story. What about that is so hard for people to swallow?

Why are people getting angry about it to the point where they are attacking each other?

The media always takes things and twists them around to some agenda. Thats the media. Your so surprised? Dont play off of the media drama.

Because of a typical media article you cant adress each other with some semblance of respect?



I'm not really seeing anyone acting angry or anything you list. I do pretty much agree with the rest of what you said.

I personally am not going to say anything that remotely ties me to supporting this Lindsay Lohan fella. I already made that mistake feeling sympathy for another pop trash star and we all know how that went. I would like to see a little more caring for the fact that growing up in certain life styles doesnt always allow you to have a good perspective on life. Expecting everyone in the world to just "figure" out they are going in a downward spiral seems kind of ignorant to me. Some people make mistakes, some people completely flop. Some people learn and pursue personal improvement, some dont really know that such a thing exists.

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Point taken. I can possibly be a bit cynical.


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She has a problem, and she drank ayahuasca..end of story. What about that is so hard for people to swallow?

Why are people getting angry about it to the point where they are attacking each other?

I think some people drank Aya and smoked DMT and now believe they are in a special club, where they wish to have control over who is allowed to drink Aya and smoke DMT and who is not. And when they realize that it is beyond their control they get angry. It's an ego thing.

Btw, Aya arrived mainstream Hollywood already in 2012:



And here is a LA weekly piece: Ten Celebrity Ayahuasca Users

http://www.laweekly.com/...elebrity-ayahuasca-users

I'm sure, the number of celebrity Aya users will constantly grow over the next years.


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