..i am bumping this thread for 2 reasons:
1) i think there is quite a big DMT-N-Oxide myth circulating the internet;
2) i would actually really like to see/hear of some confirmed solid data on it
(oh, and also, at the end of all this i discovered something interesting i didn't know about it, see next post)
now, despite constant claims of DMT-N-Oxide, and much discussion of zinc reduction, i don't see much evidence at all of it turning up in commonly extracted plants..yes a handful of plants over the years have had it detected, but it was Not detected in analysis of so-called 'jungle spice' (from MHRB), in multiple tests..
bufoman in
Summary of jungle spice analysis wrote:
Quote:SWIM has also been unable to detect N-oxide. Other claim that N-oxides give unique peaks but I bet it is variable based on many factors. Thus it is possible that some N-oxides are being detected as their parent compounds via degradation. Without a reference standard we won't know.
more extensive testing was done by endlessness in the excellent
Mimosa tenuiflora (syn. hostilis)/Jungle Spice Analysis threadwho found pretty much none (perhaps a trace in one of 10 samples) and noted
Quote:the NMT presence in nearly all samples is pretty interesting.
..which helps to explain non-solid extracts (along with other trace compounds) ..nor did he find any N-Oxide in any Acacias..
there have been dubious claims of the oxide's effects (by 69ron in particular)
and various attempts to make the oxide..
Infundubulum wrote in
N-oxide analysis:
Quote:So to recap, when people say they make n-oxide from their dmt preparations by the H2O2 they are actually getting a soup of what-ever, including N-oxide and 2meTHBC? Interesting comparing to what people have been claiming thus far with regard to "making" and bioassaying n-oxide...
however there is still some ambiguity as to the detection/creation..enldessness wrote in that thread:
Quote:Now interestingly, when i tried to make an n-oxide with 10% hydrogen peroxide, it did seem to create the dmt n-oxide peak ...The other interesting thing is that the supposed N-Oxide product I created has several other peaks appart from dmt n-oxide and DMT.. It also has a very large quantity of 2MTHBC and several other components.. In the paper mentioned above, when analyzing the pure n-oxide, they also came up with 3 peaks instead of one..
..so, even when deliberately oxidised, it usually a mixture of by-products created..
of samples that may indeed contain a fair amount of the DMT-N-Oxide, a few nexians have attempted to make the oxide from ordinary DMT..of one attempt Phlux wrote:
Quote:The n-oxide was sampled - somehow - perhaps the jungle ? it was solid and almost plasticky - it smelled nice before smoking it - but the taste and smell of the smoke was horrible - this is the first time swims spice tasted and smelled like plastic. the warm head effect - like behind the ears - kinda like wearing a warm cap was noticed - the dosage was very small but because of the taste swim is hesitant to try it again - the effects were just on the edge of noticable at the same dose as the spice used to make it at is rather noticable at.
in
https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=5456and elsewhere Q21Q21 noted effects were not as visual in an attempt to make the oxide (which was almost certainly, from what endlessness has found, not a complete conversion)
as it's difficult to create in pure form it may actually have very little activity
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