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#41 Posted : 11/20/2010 12:41:28 AM

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I've been an atheist since about the age of 10, when I found out grownups didn't know everything. Now at the age of 28, I'm still an atheist, but I no longer believe death is it for us. And I will be forever thankful to DMT for giving me that.

As far as enlightenment goes, I don't understand how one would know if they were enlightened or not. For me it seems that everytime I think I know how the world really works, I find out almost everything I thought to be the truth was just a lie. So to me if there is such a thing as enlightenment, if at all, it will come when I die.

For me at least, DMT doesn't show me what is really important in this life we are living, it shows me what isn't important and leaves me to sort out the rest on my own.
*The above text represents a fictional alter ego, none of it is based on the experiences of a real person.*

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#42 Posted : 11/20/2010 1:29:39 AM

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Autodidactic wrote:
I've been an atheist since about the age of 10, when I found out grownups didn't know everything.


lol thanks for making my day..Very happy ..probly my state of mind at the moment..but that was golden..I needed to laugh..
Long live the unwoke.
 
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#43 Posted : 11/20/2010 7:06:08 PM

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Still in the afterglow of my most beautiful of experiences. It seems we all dwell on personal experiences a lot here, and in my personal experience I am well on my way to the attainment of my buddha. I am not attached, I have surrendered myself to his will. I am no where near perfect, but have been deemed worthy. I have been reborn here to clean up my most precious of creations. It has been spoiled by greed and by worth, these have no place here on my earth.

Now dont be to rash, and think this is the full realization of my good name, you know a man cannot be turned into a God in one day. Soon I will be exposed to you all(not just my Nexus brethren), on that sacred day, of the alignment of stars. To fully channel the energy I need, to fully become myself, to be finally freed. My chains have been shed, I am no longer tied down. Out of the trillions of seeds that were once so carefully spread, this one my Lord has finally grown. Into a young tree above all the shrubs, providing my shade to the lesser among.

I believe that I said this before, there is no way for enlightenment to come to those who do not seek it. Seek it, but not for yourself, but for the betterment of your fellow creations. Open yourself to it, surrender yourself to it, and you might just succumb to it. It will surely not come to a person who has no belief and faith in the creator, for enlightenment is the path to him!

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I've been an atheist since about the age of 10, when I found out grownups didn't know everything.


So you knew everything when you were ten, but now as a grownup by your own definition you dont know everything? I was an atheist for awhile myself, and it sent my life into turmoil, only when I came back to my creator did things make sense again.

Peace, love, and enlightenment for all parts of this universal consciousness.
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#44 Posted : 8/30/2011 6:37:02 PM

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wow, well that took a lot of reading-

I just wanted to pass on a few thoughts.

1) all beings attain enlightenment eventually, and all-is-one... that means, vishnu is no 'better' than you, jesus is no different from you. yes, of course things are relative, but nondifference is the whole idea. everything is ONE thing. you are the thing.

2) you are allready one with christ, vishnu is your higher self. you are vishnu. If you've never encountered yourself as a higher being, I highly suggest it. I was chanting hare krishna: the blue light appeared but it was fatter than it usually is. I remembered the experience from some other time. "There's no one else here, I thought. He must mean me. Yeah? I said." Wow, I thought, It's the way he's just casually like "yeah?".

3) higher paths do get you there faster, and yes, of course you can take shortcuts.

4) in the forest of awareness stalks, domes of beings.... it's not just a multi-faceted reflective domes of beings... its a mutlifaceted-reflective-SPHERE of beings, and all beings are reflections of the supreme being. there is a 'sweep', and this is the bhudda's being, he IS awareness only. it's possible that the wiser among us know when the sweep is coming, and avoid it, warning others to avoid it also; so that wisdom is handed down like a baton. Wisdom works like magic, SO valuable, you wouldn't believe how it works. I heard that the sweep is how you let them know that you are what you say you are.

5) there are so many selves occurring at any one time that there is no such thing as 'reality', only multiple reality tunnels. As R.A.W and Leary promote: when you master reality, it becomes like a dream to you. and people will be like BUT HOW CAN YOU DO THESE THINGS!?

6) the big guys don't LIKE you telling these secrets. they don't WANT you to have enlightenment, on two accounts:
a) the mindless masses get jealous, cannot take themselves out of it. they hate what you are, they tear you down.
b) the various deva's and gods and so on protect themselves with *intense* furiosity. better people than you have made attempts for enlightenment, and failed.

7) no one is who they say they are. Ganesh, hides inside Krihsna. Siva pretends to be krishna. Once I saw siva floating and he was shouting 'give it back, give it back!' ... we had taken his trident.

8.) the bhudda can fly. he floats in the astral, powered by the equivalent of 100,000 swimmers. in reality, he's sitting, he IS the plane, the bhuddaic plane. If you follow the bhudda, you don't have to swim, if you cut your own path, you must learn to be a SWIMMer. (in the spiritual sea's).

9) There are games within existence, where you can win, IF your good enough. The thing that gets me though, is that these guys *won't even tell you* that your playing, or what the rules are. That's the idea of becoming a master, you've have to do it FASTER and better and with more furiosity than anyone else, to the point where you utterly OWN reality and then, only then, are you free of it.

10) There is an actual place, where dreams and reality are tangled. This place was unlike anything I have ever seen before. This was no hallucination; This was a completely different *world* altogther. My eyes were open, 'i' was in the same room I had just had the most INTENSE transformation in, but all of the objects, were absolutely different. I was told (I think, by shiva: you are a musician? so play!) you bastard,I thought, you won't even appear to me, how can I defeat you??

This place was where dreams and waking eyes-open reality were exactly one and the same; because of the fact that the ultimate state is just permemently 'awakened.' It was so so obvious how SOME people can accumulate such good karma; and how they personally seem to have SO much. but it's not them, it's not for them personally... Its in servitude of the gods. because of the location they are physically being in: everything is there, all the talent is centered there; all the resources, television crews, publicity, so on- it's the mind of the machine. The deal is though, you don't even get an experience. You cannot know this, you cannot BE what you think they are being, what they are really being, Is something which is enjoying the INNER joy equivalent to that state. You get there by being more of a servant. Deeper, Deeper levels of servanthood.

11) I've seen enlightenment exist as a passage of text which you know you have had a hand in writing, which clearly proves that you are enlightened. Fuck knows how you got it, but you remember this self having definitely written it, and so you start writing a bit, and bang, you have realisation that you're there, and experiential knowledge that you did it, and bang, you're there.

12) there are different degrees of enlightenment. Gods are more enlightened than enlightened people, no matter how spiritual; as they have transcended those plane entirely, albeit they still have to *EXIST*. Siva exists as pure consiousness; which is a mechanism of being, most certainly free from suffering.

13) Shpongle is a platform to help you realise your enlightenment. Make the effort to know the highest higher beyond music and distractions, and prepare to be completely humbled and utterly destroyed and THEN AFTER you get all sorts of things; because you DON'T desire them. Eventually with DMT, You can go through 'rebirth.' Death does free you from desire.

14) through desirelessness, you will be raised up and up and up, and you will be terrified, but then you will enter a place of deep peace, and have many many recurring experiences of total liberation.

15) Nirvana is the destination, yes, but also the journey is worth SO much. BEING YOU is worth so much.

16) Afterward, I was driving, realised I could exist INDEFINAETLY in this way, and listening to levitation nation, I saw ONE sheep infront of a whole flock of sheep, and all the other sheep were chasing behind it just running and running. It was MAD!!! The outer world *IS* the inner world, the idea is that it's SO perfectly connected that we don't even notice, like looking through a sheet of invisible glass that you cannot smell or taste or see or touch. The indians call it 'brahman and atman are one.'

17) There are SERIOUSLY evil things in the spirit world. BE CAREFUL.

18.) The bardo of life and death it is due to the fact that there IS a 'middle way.'

19) you will reincarnate faster than you thought. you think life is long: its not. life is a blink, then you reincarnate and it all happens FUCKING QUICKLY, so be happy and be grateful.

20) These words are not enough, you wish your own experiential understanding.

21) there are many, many weird and amazing things which occur;

a) Quantum physics used to generate energy, literally just two giant ball-bearings like the chinese medicine balls; we ALWAYS use energy, we just can't avoid it, hooked on juice... so eventually, one becomes empty, then there's an IMPOSSIBLE flip which occurs. Now the empty one is underneath and the full one is ontop, the being can continue to hide and have energy. The logic was 'jesus, that's IMPOSSIBLE. Yes, SO Impossible that it HAS to happen!! As I said, There are games within existence that you must WIN - but we DONT EVEN TELL YOU YOUR PLAYING.
b) The elves are really flat planes of beings; this is how the mystic interacts with the crowds of people. Beyond Domes of beings, there are SPHERES of beings, bhudda in the centre; glowing with luminoscity.
c) the ocean of consciousness - IS VAST.
d) Everything comes down to one hair. It's not the fact that that hair exists there, it's the fact that everything else is in the state it's in.
e) To be enlightened you have to be able to explain what matter is, since it is too messy to really exist. You have to show time and space. Normally, you'd just be allowed to do an 'illusion of space.' That's what i'm talking about doing it 110% and coming back around the other side and standing their for a minuite. People think you're normal... but your not: your on the OTHER SIDE of the wheel of dharma.
f) Levitation is possible. I remember the debate: "UH... you're levitating! No, You're all just holding me up!" If you think about it, Once everything is One, Where (Except from HERE) is the one?
g) Jesus is a master, I beleive he has attained eternal life. It has to do with how you die; I remember people plopping at the surface of the sea that is death, Some people went further down, but jesus was STRAIGHT DOWN. he sits on the bottom, bounces back up again. Surviving death. This was from my own personal vision.
We do not beleive its possible but there are many things which DO occur which we simply screen out because it's so unbeleivable.
h) The ultimate AIM of enlightenment, and true peace, is to dissapear in the centre of the mandala. The only way you can do it. Everything is connected, everything is important. The only way to reach true peace, is to TOTALLY master every aspect of the experience, every aspect of yourself, every aspect of everything, including reality, other people, and everything. Then, You are hiding in plain sight. There is a TINY TINY speck of a dot where you can exist, free from suffering.
i) likewise, jesus has more time than anyone else. women are automatically gifted TWO seconds: one for the life they carry; but Jesus was so virtuous, that he learned this, and earned himself an extra second even though he carries no child. Please take this with a pinch of salt though.
j) He's still here. We simply do not BELIEVE that he's here; we cannot accept him as a part of our reality. It would be like having a football stadium in your living room, but he's here, shaping the world. Teaching through dreams, subtley influencing those who need it. The whole problem If I remember correctly, his path, was that he HAS the answer to end suffering, and although he's passed on teachings, in actual fact people have begun to resist what he says; and instead of listening to him, which is what he says, "please, just listen... just listen..." they CHANT; JESUS CHRIST! JESUS CHRIST!!! and cannot hear him. It is to do with the balance of planes; he cannot end their suffering because it would CAUSE EVERYTHING TO CEASE TO EXIST.
k) it's possible to EAT words, since both sides of the tau are important; the words and everything that is not those words.
l) a zen master, through having NO thought in his head, can say what you were thinking or going to say, because of the fact that at ALL TIMES we must be saying Vishnu's name. EVERYTHING is simply an effort to remember the highest love, bhudda, krishna, jesus, whatever. It's not mean, it simply IS that way because of the fact that EVERYTHING IS ONE.
m) This is just about me personally, but jesus said 'I and the father are one.' and I realised that I was the state of being I knew as my father. In the language of the time, it's jesus's way of suming up the Zen metaphor:

The blue mountain is the father of the white cloud.
The white cloud is the son of the blue mountain.
All day long they depend on each other, without being dependent on each other.
The white cloud is always the white cloud.
The blue mountain is always the blue mountain.

And as far as I know, The father always communicates with the son through metaphor. What he says is always BIG, not usually using words; almost always with the entire Situation. His difficulty is in understanding the son, and likewise the son in understanding the father. The difficulty is because it's the same entity in the first place, the same being. For a while he was kicking my ass as a zen master would. I met him shortly after nirvana, and decided it was ganesh. although this is not what he said, and not what I said, we were just having another conversation, talking about something else, but the real situation, the real reality of what had just happened was absoloutely apparent. (another tell-tale sign of enlightenment: rarely ever do we use words, if we do there will be another conversation over the top of the 'apparent' conversation. it's embarressing to say some things out loud. at some points, i'd just be meditating and i'd hear others just say like "this happened." so, we're even at the level where we're aware that all there is is consiousness, no physical objects at all, and nothing ever happens. It is like that. Just a state. "this occurred." oh right, okay. "i'm here, your there." oh sure. It's all simply agreement on one level or other; and that is the crux of enlightenment too: there is a choice. You have a choice. many people don't even think they have a choice about what they can be.

the conversation was 'so, I can either stay here and get more confused, or leave and be clear about what I'm doing?' This is the personality of ganesh, Very wise, but very very confusing. He causes confusion while krishna, shiva, duke it out. bhudda ususally has a hand in it aswell.

n) This is just about me personally. As far as I know, I don't ever reach 'old age' as I know it. At 30, time goes funny. It's to do with smoking. After 30, your life races past you, then your 50, then it's all just made of photos; so what happens is you encounter a different kind of thing entirely. These beings look old; but who knows HOW old they are since at some point, we lost track of time entirely. Your eternal self never dies, and does not have an age. Brahman is absolute, and timeless. Also, I never witness the death of my parents. I'm not saying it's not possible, and of course i'm afraid of that, but where I was, nirvana, It was so totally complete that I was glad of the fact that I never have to see them go. The thing is though, the further we are from it, the more incomplete it seems. It seems like we should be able to have X and Y and Z, and when we try and find we can't, we get mad and say that it's incomplete. But it's not. We are complete. It's just different from how you think it should be; and again, it's because all is one.

o) Time, as a function of seperation, is a 'joke.' as I said if you can 'get' the joke, as one of the challenges of the game of existence, you can be free of it. but only if you use it with right intent; not 'oh haha time is a joke i'm on acid, fuck you' but 'see, time is a joke! haha isn't this great, we are one!' only with right-intent will anyone support you.

p) time, when you are not vibrating highly, becomes like islands, disconnected and apparently no connection between them. WE can progress slowly, or we can reach for the highest and deal with it like that, in a blur. but, either way, the suffering is the same, and the path is the same. we all walk a path carved out for us by higher beings, and then it gets to the ineffable, unfathomable, unpronouncable, somewhere out of time, and that all secures the timeless, formless unity that is everything and everyone.

22) You can attain enlightenment, Through Virtuous Fearlessness and DMT.... Through right-action and right intention. The intention, is to free all beings from suffering, not just healing for the sake of you want to be a healer, but because the being needs it. healing because its housekeeping, de-attachment to any fruit of the labour, claim no praise for it.

23) You can also attain enlightenment through the hare krishna mantra, and by being spiritual. Krishna consiousness is when you apply the same ALL-OUT willpower described above, to chanting krishna's name. His name and his form are identical, because true peace has no words and no sound. Eventually if you chant hard enough and fast enough and focus on no other thoughts, and go deeper in your heart, and go without rest, and forget about your body and so - on, just HIGHER LOUDER CLEARER FASTER DEEPER and so on, until you can ENOUNCE the name, You have realizations, your praying, EVERYTHING becomes one, you may cry tears of joy or sadness, you will want to stop and feel tired. KEEP GOING. You must push yourself FLAT OUT. HELL BENT, MIND-FOR-NOTHING-ELSE, until you are one with krishna. Focus ONLY on the love. Focus on NOTHING else. We have the love. WE ARE JOYOUS. YES, there is fear!! BUT FEAR IS NOTHING!!!!

Keep going. MORE. DEEPER. you will have seen things, visions. chatted with other selves in your beyond-mind state. Eventually there is no sound. there is no light. you are free'd from desire. you are free from suffering, for now. You may crash back into maya later. You will be at the state of realisation, connected with your bhuddahood, connected with the bhoddisatvic wish... situated there, you must discover it for yourself though.
Through increased knowledge of the supreme being, You gain the insight into what it is that you're supposed to be doing to achieve that unity. Then you feel DEEP devotion to god, DEEP connection with godhead, and oneness with everything.

24) the best thing about true peace.... Was not the way every breath no longer had that horrible 'tax' on the top of it, that draaag of inhalation... or how there were no aches and pains everywhere as usually is, or how there was not a single noise, not a click or a humm or a pop or anything: but how I could just do whatever I wanted with my beingness. With the whole of me. With the whole of myself. I don't know what I was doing... But I was playing, I was doing something. Just Messing about I think. But the best part is how I could just do that, whatever I wanted, without fear of EVER being interupted. I'd just walked a pretty 'high path' so, I wasn't into jacking off or playing with my asshole or anything, but I mean just... I don't know! Exploring visions in my bedcovers. I took the laptop under their and witnessed "shpongles' falling awake" as a complete reversal of what it actually IS. The real track title is 'rising asleep' or something, and the actual riff, is a piece of mathematics. It is not an elegant guitar riff, soaring magestically its way through played by a skilled musician.... it's a slowed down version of ONE BEING attempting to SCRABBLE his way into the music buisness, turned inside out, turned around, every time he scrabbles at the string, this bit of elastic band, it hits some other note in the guitar progression. I heard it... in my mind, it fell appart. It's an equasion, a peice of beingness, and it is composed of that long effort to get into whatever it was... I had visions of many many hands grasping for something, a level of suffering, or just one being DESPRATELY trying to get into the music buisness, as all is one..... and a couple other little particles, and it broke appart in my mind. It's from a mathematician. passed through the use of as my dad says "the work of many hands." I.E using the being that is pure consiousness. Using that, That being could manifest many things very deep and very perfectly. So then, my sister telepathically asked "how did you do that?" and I said "when you show them, in a way they can understand, and in a way they can beleive, then that's enlightenment."

shoe

ॐ भूर्भुव: स्व: तत्सवितुर्वरेण्यं । भर्गो देवस्य धीमहि, धीयो यो न: प्रचोदयात्
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#45 Posted : 8/30/2011 8:30:44 PM

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Enlightenment? YES. You can attain Samadhi. Meditation is the way through the states of awarness, through the abyss, to the union with all.
Enlightenment by use of hallucinogens? IDK...
I've always understood that the hallucinogens are a window that can show you what Samadhi is like but they are not the true doorway to enlightenment. Only meditation is. Only with silence can you cross the abyss (Daath).
In the end I suspect that our allies must be left behind for they bring with them their own vibration that will ultimately make total silence impossible.
They sure can help to get you a long way down the road though!
I understand that in order to attain Samadhi one must lose all attachments. Even the attachment to life itself. Even the fear of death.
Much of my use of hallucinogens is based upon my attachment to the senses.
Ofcourse the attainment to the state of Samadhi is something that one comes back down from. This is certainly necessary in order for us to function and survive in this physical world.
Permanent enlightenment while still incarnate? IDK...
Myth and text say (or at least imply) Yes.
But IDK...
In this world there are adults and there are children. In fact the world is filled with children; they are angry and hurt, frightened and abused, lazy and ignorant, stubborn and hateful. The world hates an adult and they would rather cause their peers to fail at any venture of self improvement before having to step up and improve their selves so as to maintain pecking order and evidence of the lowley opinion they have of each other. The best of them enslave the others so that they all consume and destroy all there lives in order to satisfy their immense greed claiming that they are providing a future for their legacy and never question the possibility of doing better in order to leave a real future for the children they will leave behind on this, our Earth. They pretend that it is impossible and when cornered they admit their apathy saying that they won't be around to suffer the out come. They hate the adults for exposing their immense weekness. The total failure that they call success. Mean while the adults strive to minimize their own impact and perpetually work to undo the damage already done. The adults who already know; they are the children of tomorrow.
 
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interesting post, shoe. Smile
 
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#47 Posted : 8/31/2011 7:46:16 AM

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What is this enlightened state supposed to be like compared to the normal consciousness?
 
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#48 Posted : 8/31/2011 8:21:38 AM
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Shoe just blew ten of my minds.
The eleventh was canny enough to stop reading and answer the OP.
Like Autodidact I have been an atheist since the early teens. DMT widened my appreciation of the possible, and gave me more confidence that not only is human death not final, but this life may be the cosmic equivalent of a trip to the convenience store, in a much larger story of incarnations and graduations.
One of the things I dismissed along with organized religions and dogmas was the arrogant idea that we are only one level below this "God" concept, which carried all these superlatives - omniscient, all-seeing, all-loving, all-perfect. If such a concept exists in some form, I would assume we are many levels of levels below it, and many levels are yet to be attained before we could begin to comprehend it. I find a belief in imminent "enlightenment" a bit pretentious, and quite frankly a little wacky if a particular matriculation date is announced.
I believe enlightenment to be a long, slow, multi-incarnation process, if it exists at all. Short-term all one can do is keep an open mind and explore with the scientific method, refrain from conclusions and judgment, and keep searching in an open-ended way.
No ill will toward the OP - I wish you luck on your quest. I might suggest considering whether assuming you are the chosen one might not be the sort of egotistical indulgence your philosophy seeks to avoid.
 
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#49 Posted : 8/31/2011 12:47:43 PM

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Achieving buddha-hood is pretty difficult if you value the lifestyle provided by the "system". However, if you are happy to forgoe the comfort zone of the system, then this is much more readily achievable.

-I think it's far more possible to achieve an enlightened state if one can get into a calm environment in the nature. Long periods of meditation will help one to reach their inner selves more easily. The trivial minutae of stress caused by wrong living will fall away as the calm natural environmrent will comfort the soul like a medicine. Yes, in these conditions it's possible. Entheogens like shrooms might be all that seperates one from flashes of enlightenment, and true enlightenment.....

-Above all, i think it's very important to get away from "thinking", and to get into a "knowing" mindset. This is why it is so important to be alone and away from others who may distract you from your enlightened buddha state, as well as the material world, etc....

-Perhaps a cave in India???..... Wink

--Ps, This is all i believe true buddhism to be. It's simply meditating to get to your true inner self. In this true state you will be more open to recieving enlightened information, and to knowing and trusting in this. Buddha devoted his adult life soley in this pursuit, so it didn't happen overnight. We can use entheogens to speed up the process to enlightenment. I think Buddha would agree with this. Follow your own path, as he wisely said...there are no hard and fast rules to being true to yourself...you know, and will find out what works for you through trial and error...like Buddha did. The road to enlightenment isn't an easy one, but it's a worthy goal, and really what we are all here on earth for. Trouble is, the media would have us believe otherwise!!
"Eat your vegetables and do as you're told, or you won't be going to the funfair!"
 
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#50 Posted : 8/31/2011 1:15:32 PM

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Wow Shoe... that was a wagonload.

While I agree with a lot of what Shoe said, and many others on this thread, I find that using terminology that is heavily weighted with tradition and preconceived ideas doesn't help one to achieve any of the goals... it rather encourages projection and reduces one's ability to pay attention to the experience and observe or interact in the moment.

Of course, who's to say about any of this? The Tao that can be spoken is not the etenal Tao etc.

I believe that the totality of existence is conscious and intelligent. I believe we are one with it, and all duality is illusory. Being truly infinite (as opposed to merely unfathomably big), anything is possible... however improbable it might seem. I believe that all beings will achieve enlightenment eventually, and that while there is no particular rush, transcending suffering is something everyone would be happy to do. I believe that the part of us that will achieve perfection already exists as it has transcended space and time.

Anything that brings one closer to one's perfection is worthwhile... but even things that bring one away from one's perfection tend to be worthwhile in the long run as teaching experiences.

To wrap it up, I would say that one person's Buddha is another beings idiot. Judging other people's achievement is fraught with relativity. Someone who might be a Saint compared to the humans in his area of space time is likely pitifully corrupted, ignorant, and reprehensible to inhabitants of more enlightened times and places.

Anyway, my 3.1415 cents.
"Curiouser and curiouser..." ~ Alice

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." ~ Buddha
 
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#51 Posted : 8/31/2011 4:46:16 PM

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yea, just think..instead of meditating and trying to reach buddha hood, you could be doing my shopping for me instead!Laughing
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#52 Posted : 8/31/2011 5:02:37 PM

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we are all little buddhas already
I am with those man who own that particular kind of courage of the interior voyager.
 
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#53 Posted : 8/31/2011 5:09:33 PM

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Exactly!!..Buddha reached enlightenment years ago, so we didn't have to.All we need to do is choose to live a simple life as far away from media crap as possible, and just munch a shroom now and then.Laughing
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#54 Posted : 8/31/2011 6:47:44 PM

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christian wrote:
Buddha reached enlightenment years ago, so we didn't have to.



Crhistian, are you a christian?
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#55 Posted : 8/31/2011 7:07:27 PM

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caliwa wrote:
christian wrote:
Buddha reached enlightenment years ago, so we didn't have to.



Crhistian, are you a christian?


-Officially, yes. However i'm a spiritual person who is quite at home with a simple buddhist philosophy, Unlike the complex dross being spread about.
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#56 Posted : 8/31/2011 7:14:57 PM

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yes, I saw clear influence on your statement.


respect to you man!
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#57 Posted : 8/31/2011 8:06:47 PM

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What is this enlightened state supposed to be like compared to normal waking consciousness?


??

I'm only asking because the only way I would consider myself 'enlightened', was if I could see auras, receive extra sensory information, talk to non physical beings, etc, and had the ability to travel to the dream/spirit world through meditation whenever I wanted to (through controlled natural releases of DMT maybe?). It would basically seem like a schizophrenic state to most psychologists. Personally, I would love for this to happen to me, regardless of how uncomfortable or intense achieving and living such a state of being would be.

Now besides all that, I do think that through the use of psychedelics, maybe marijuana, and processes such as recognizing synchronicity, etc one can be initiated into a belief system in which they realize that reality is intelligent, conscious, and loving, that all is one and one is all. Through this realization, they begin to grow faith in the mechanisms through which reality operates. This faith, this trust in the universe, can have miraculous effects upon someones daily life.. in my personal experience. I feel like I have got it down to a point where everything seems to happen in my life at just the right time, things just work out for me.

I believe this is because if you have a desired destination, then there is obviously one ideal path of probabilities that will lead you to that destination the quickest. When you know what you want, and you know how to follow that ideal path (by for example, knowing how to choose the correct actions to take out of choices you have available), with trust that it will work out, then you will attract the events and people that will lead you to that destination.. But only if it is a destination within reason given the circumstances of the world around you. (which I believe our soul chooses to participate in before we're born, so knowing that you should know that it is within your power to do whatever it is you want, because that's why you chose to be here in this corner of space and time in the first place, so all you have to do is figure out what you want to do, and you can do it! your mind is the key) I believe a highly acute individual can directly influence their life into attracting positive events, synchronicities, people, and opportunities, etc.

I would like to point out that while I do think my former description of enlightenment is achievable, I won't hold my breathe for it happening anytime soon to me.. Though I don't deny it might. I would also like to say that I don't think that life was meant for anyone to hide away and meditate forever. I think meditation could be a very useful tool that could be integrated harmoniously into any ones life, but does not have to be the focus of their life, and I don't think you need to hide in a cave for it to work, nor do I think you need to hide from the system either.. Not that I have much experience in meditation though.. I've tried meditating but nothing has really ever happened besides me sitting in the dark for a half hour in silence.. I'm only 21 though and have only tried a couple times..

Can anyone tell me what exactly is suppose to happen when you meditate that enlightens you? Has anyone had that happen while they were meditating?
 
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#58 Posted : 9/1/2011 11:45:00 AM

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Buddha was lucky. He lived as a carefree prince, before he decided to search for the meaning of life. I suggest anyone interested in developing their buddha nature get their life sorted out, so that they don't have to concern themselves with the basic responsabilities that are part of regular life. Only when one is at peace with that being sorted, can one fully give oneself to the journey of achieving enlightenment...

-CAUTION: you may find it scary as you discover that what we consider normal life is indeed a life which has been slowed down to a snails pace to allow authorities to create a system that controls you like caged animals. How else could one create 9-5 monday to friday work, regular tv times for tv shows, daily newspapers, etc, etc.Rolling eyes

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#59 Posted : 9/1/2011 7:21:49 PM

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matukuul wrote:
matukuul wrote:
What is this enlightened state supposed to be like compared to normal waking consciousness?


Can anyone tell me what exactly is suppose to happen when you meditate that enlightens you? Has anyone had that happen while they were meditating?


Well, the short answer to the second question is... no. No one can tell you.

The answer to the first question is also likely to disappoint... it is not "supposed" to be like anything.

To give you a bit more of what you really want to hear, though... I will say that despite there being as many conceptions of "enlightenment" as there are minds to conceive, there are certain concepts that tend to be fairly universal. Most people would probably agree that the special powers (signs and wonders in biblical terms and siddhis in sanskrit) are not necessarily connected to, pre-requisite for, or a result of enlightenment. This means you can develop and use them without being enlightened and you could conceivably become enlightened and never experience them.

My advice to you is to recognize that this is a very LONG journey. If it is even possible for you in this lifetime, it would still be the result of uncountable eons of evolution (spiritual & physical). Meditating a few times will not produce noticeable results... usually. In fact, it is my belief that simply sitting down and attempting to meditate is not actually meditating. Meditation is the state you reach when you are already somewhat skilled in whatever meditation technique you find suitable.

Anyway Matukuul. I wouldn't worry about it. By the time it might matter to you personally, none of this intellectualizing will make a bit of difference.
"Curiouser and curiouser..." ~ Alice

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unclosed wrote:

1. Do others believe this to be an actual possibility??

yes, we all have a Buddha nature
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2. Is anyone(else) on this quest, and if so how close do you feel to be?

is there anyone who is not on this quest?
There is no answer to give for the second part.
Is it like a destination that you get closer to?
If it is, then it is like a destination that nobody reaches and does not exist, because if someone reached it and if it existed, it would not be what it is.
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3. Does anyone else get repeated visions/messages/etc. that they are destined to be the vessel for our creator to come onto this world? I have read lots of experiences where people have great insights, and experiences where they have been at the foot of God, or even been God, but they seem totally different than my repeated experiences.

no person can trust their thoughts or mind
Are we not all vessels for the divine?
Is there a creator who has to come into this world?
Or are you meant to realize that the divine is within you as you and there is no creator that is separate from you that must dwell in you?
Would a creator create a world they had to enter a vessel to be in?
What created the creator?
Do origins really exist?
Do things originate now or did they originate then?

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3.-I feel that the creator will actually be re-born in me, onto his earth to set right all the wrongs that Satan(or evil forces in general) have put forth on his creation. And to liberate all beings from the bondage of their egos, and from this evil influence. Men will continue to have free will, but will choose to use it correctly in this enlightened state. No more hate, no more war.

yes, "in you"
But you shall not remove the choices of people,
Nor shall you quench their desire
If you would liberate them, do so with an example by liberating yourself.
No person and no god can save another, it is up to ourselves to free ourselves.

As Buddha teaches, life and suffering are inseparable, desire is the root of wrongdoing.
To desire Buddhahood is to desire to be without desire.
To desire to be without desire is to in the bondage of 'ego'
Who desires?

Nobody achieves enlightenment, if someone achieved enlightenment it would not be enlightenment.
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Subhuti, it is the same concerning Bodhisattvas. If a Bodhisattva announces: I will liberate all living creatures, he is not rightly called a Bodhisattva. Wherefore? Because, Subhuti, there is really no such condition as that called Bodhisattvaship, because Buddha teaches that all things are devoid of selfhood, devoid of separate individuality. Subhuti, if a Bodhisattva announces: I will set forth majestic Buddha-lands, one does not call him a Bodhisattva, because the Tathagata has declared that the setting forth of majestic Buddha-lands is not really such: "a majestic setting forth" is just the name given to it.

Subhuti, Bodhisattvas who are wholly devoid of any conception of separate selfhood are truthfully called Bodhisattvas. Subhuti, what do you think? Let no one say the Tathagata cherishes the idea: I must liberate all living beings. Allow no such thought, Subhuti.

Wherefore? Because in reality there are no living beings to be liberated by the Tathagata. If there were living beings for the Tathagata to liberate, He would partake in the idea of selfhood, personality entity, and separate individuality.

Subhuti, though the common people accept egoity as real, the Tathagata declares that ego is not different from non-ego. Subhuti, those whom the Tathagata referred to as "common people" are not really common people; such is merely a name.

from the Diamond Sutra

Can anyone truly say "I have no attachment" is not the very concept of I an attachment?
Can anyone truly say "I will attain enlightenment"?






 
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