Don't feel like an idiot, it was an honest mistake that if you're unfamiliar with masses it is easy to make! However, saying that, I'm glad it was realised before your next attempt! Also, on a massive plus side you have an awful lot more to experiment with than you thought.

My first few experiences were marred by smoking (note, not vaping) ~50 mg doses and not remembering an awful lot of what went on too. Plus the horrid burning sensation from what I now assume was residual sodium hydroxide in an unclean extraction (not my own, this was acquired from someone else) and I won't even go into the being tricked into a 50 mg smoke while under the influence of ketamine, alcohol and high-grade ganja. Got my arse handed to me that night, but boy did I sure learn a lot and it actually ended up being a major turning point in my life for the better.

As for tolerance, it's not really an issue with the spice except that if you don't do so well in your method of administration you may have to wait a few minutes, however people debate this. For changa it is apparently not an issue. In fact, in regards to long-term tolerance, if anything it appears to reduce. This is not from my own experience, which is limited, but from reading a lot on the nexus of other people's experiences.

Happy travels man, and look into some milligram scales. Here's a stickied thread:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me....aspx?g=posts&t=7827

I use some that are cheap (~£20-30) and are the ones often found with different labelling but probably from the same asian factory and then branded by other people. I had one that was a nightmare for years but could be worked if you had the knack, got some new ones from a certain online shop named after a river and they are ideal. Well without spending silly amounts on a professional chemical scale which can run into hundreds-thousands easily and are overkill unless you are doing precise analytical work.

All I can say is thank you so much lol. I thought I must have not done enough to break through so was at that lower level that according to some posts I'd read makes for a more nerving experience than a breakthrough but in hindsight everything about the experience was telling me pretty clearly that I'd done too much. I was fully expecting the DMT to calm me when I asked / begged it to but panicked when it didn't, knowing now that it was a 50mg (full on sucking the life out of it) dose explains why that didn't happen.

Hahaha "Got my arse handed to me that night" did make me laugh, I feel almost like I can relate from my experience but not nearly to the extent that I would imagine you did with that kind of brutal haymaker of a cocktail.

Indeed, for every cloud eh I was a bit gutted when I thought I was going to have to do half of it in order to break through. Good job I decided to do (what I thought was) such a small dose to test the water rather than breaking myself in with a nice 250mg skullcracker.

Thanks, I'll definitely invest in some proper scales but I think maybe first I should probably invest in a GVG. That way, if I'm aiming towards the low end of between 20-30mg rather than 50-60mg I shouldn't blow my socks off like that again and will hopefully get a finer experience from it.

I wish I could explain those echoing baby alien in a raindrop noises I was making a bit better but in hindsight they were clearly the noises of somebody who had done too much of whatever he was doing. Luckily the experience after the initial scare was very good (although still clearly tainted by the fact that too much was done).

Just a quick question. I still have whatever I didn't burn in the bong bowl, is it worth having a second go from that tomorrow or would it be best to clear it out and start a fresh?

Just as a side note, this is the calming video I was watching / listening to as preperation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogcIGL1kgGE

This is the one I listened to before the first attempt:

https://www.youtube.com/...YzqMmUESDUt&index=26

A GVG would be a great move.

Yeah it's a good job you're cautious! A lot to be said for it and you've certainly saved yourself from an almost certain real bad time and (less importantly, but a bit gutting nonetheless) a definite waste of what you had. Well done on having that mindset.

A GVG would be great to invest in, but I'd definitely consider scales too if you can run to it, money-wise. A lot of scales used for more recreational substances tend to only go to 0.01 g (or even only 0.1 g, which is 100 mg). But if you're cautious and they're fairly accurate 0.01 g scales you should be alright if you're erring on the safe side, but be aware that most scales get imprecise at the limits of their ability. I'd reweigh things a few times just to make sure it's being precise.

With these kind of things I never seem to mind spending money, and I'm not well off by any means. Just got a bit of a 'right tool for the right job' kind of mentality and will end up spending loads if there is something ideal available.

Funnily enough I had some of what T. Mckenna called glossolalia too when I had my bad inital experiences too. I'd remembered something had done this to me but couldn't understand what was going on and was blurting out variations on "mweh mweh mee" the whole time, which after I was safely back in the so called real world I realised was "D..M..T". The noises you make, and those you hear too, can be unreal.

As for your last question; personally I'd go for it, and I'm generally quite cautious, as you'd likely have done the majority last time. The unfortunate thing is you wouldn't know how much was there unless you dissolved what was left in some solvent and evaporated it away to give you back the spice. However with the burnt crap that will be left in the bowl and with such a small amount it'd likely not be worth it. I'd see if anyone else thinks to or not but I would give it a go myself.


EDIT: Good shout on the Alan Watts! I discovered him a few months after trying spice for the first time and I must've spent hundreds of hours listening to him by now. His book called 'the book: the taboo against knowing who you really are' is fantastic, as are many others of his.

Thanks again Tatt, although with further research I've noticed it's going to cost $140 to get it shipped to me here which kind of puts it a little out of my price range this month and I have 2 holidays to pay for next month :/

I know it's cutting corners but I can get a wooden one for the equivalent of about $55 which is much more affordable at the moment. I know it's not ideal but my options at the moment seem to be standard old bong vs standard old wooden VG, would you still recommend the investment?




Well I have to admit I'm really glad I took the steps I did to bump into you and avoid the possibility of doing something massively stupid like sucking up 150 - 250mg of DMT in one go lol.
To be honest it was luck as much as being cautious. The second go would have been 150mg had I not packed the 50mg dose while drunk. Even then it was a split decision that could have gone either way whether to pack another "5 or 10mg" in there and try to fit some more parsley over the top.

Yep, that's also a massive plus lol, I've now got 15 - 20 experiences left rather than 2

Cheers, will double check the doses until I get some better scales (mine only go to 0.01 at the moment)

So in hindsight, I was flung through hyperspace at a phenomenal speed into another dimension where I crash landed and was flung forward with no control over myself which explains the dribbling. The "glossolalia" noises were very much like you say "Blip blip boo beooooip ip ip ip booeeeoooeeepa pa ba bop" and a pretty sure sign I'd gone OTT but I think they actually helped calm me and gave me something to focus on and laugh about.

I'm pretty confident that I burned up well over half the DMT in that hit so will give it another go either later or during the week I think.

Cheers, I only recently found out about Alan Watts, have listened to all the youtube videos I could find and saved them to my favourites. Very interesting stuff.

You can try the green buddha for a cheaper good alternative to the GVG

Thanks man, to be honest, I'm not fond of importing lots of different things from America which is putting me off as maybe one will not turn up. I've just had what I consider to be my first real DMT experience although I was there before and when I was there could remember it perfectly but knew that when I came back to our world I wouldn't remember what was happening. It's strange how this type of post would normally take me a long time to write, rewording shit and thinking about it but now just after a beautiful experience it just comes out as fast as I can type. I love DMT lol.

This time the echoing alien baby in a glass tube noises were part of it, they seem to have become part of my experience, there was a being that I can only remember vaguely and I was trying to usher him to keep me in his world. It's a beautiful world but I had to come back at some point. I managed to stay for a bit.

The DMT world has a strange taste to it which can obviously be put down to the taste of the DMT. There's also these strange stars that I can not only see but feel and taste, like they're coming out of me, hard to explain. From my vague memory there was this guy sat there with a bong, he was Ayahuasca. I wanted to stay in his world but we can only stay there for a short time. I really, really wanted to stay.

I know I'm repeating myself but I guess the important part is that when I was there I remembered the previous experiences perfectly but at the same time knew that when I came back to this reality I would not remember what happened. It's a shame but I'm guessing there's a reason for it.

Wow. Wasca man.