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Dealing with the negative impact on my relationship that is associated with DMT Options
 
hug46
#21 Posted : 3/17/2015 2:44:48 PM

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I do sometimes wonder to myself which is the case, either we are all empowered with divine knowledge and one step closer to spiritual enlightenment, or we’ve been taken far too many strong hallucinogenic substances and have totally lost the plot.

It has to be one of them!


It"s probably both of them.
 

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#22 Posted : 3/17/2015 4:12:06 PM

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I realised that there is more to life and this world than I knew. For instance there are grey aliens and they spoke to me.
How could anything ever be the same after that.


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If you start doing DMT then I would wager that you will change, but for the better in my opinion.
Maybe she is scared of being left behind?


Or maybe they are just afraid that their partner is becoming a deluded nutjob. Which may very well be the case. I don"t really understand how seeing aliens can make a person change for the better. But then again i suppose it is similar to becoming a born again christian. Belief in a supernatuaral being can make people that are not so happy with their lives happier and happier people are generally better people (atleast from a personal point of view).

My girlfriend doesn"t do dmt, nor does she want to and when i tell her that i have communed with seemingly autonomous beings she takes the piss out of me. I like it when she does this as it helps to keep me grounded.



The change for the better comes from doing DMT and Harmalas, making me a better person, no more depression or anxiety , nothing really gets to me anymore (apart from certain posts), I see a bigger picture.
Psychedelics make people into better people from what I've seen.
Meeting an Alien and knowing not choosing to believe that there are other forms of life out there changes everything from the ground up, for me.


 
hug46
#23 Posted : 3/17/2015 11:24:36 PM

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The change for the better comes from doing DMT and Harmalas, making me a better person, no more depression or anxiety , nothing really gets to me anymore (apart from certain posts), I see a bigger picture.


Ok, i am getting the impression that the above sentence is a veiled attempt at saying that you were insulted by my post. If that is so, then i apologise. It"s just an opinion based upon my own analysis of how i personally react to these experiences. Nothing much really gets to me either. There"s no point in getting het up over the random ramblings of some other person on an internet forum.

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Meeting an Alien and knowing not choosing to believe that there are other forms of life out there changes everything from the ground up, for me.


I guess that if you have a partner who has never experienced DMT and decide to tell them that you have met aliens and KNOW that they exist, common sense dictates that they might be a bit confused and worried about what"s going on in your head. I think that it is healthy to contemplate as to who may actually be being "left behind" in a scenario like this.

I still stand by my alien/god/supernatuaral belief analogy. I understand the appeal of knowing (or believing) that there is something else beyond our normal ken and don"t actually think that there"s anything wrong with it, as long as it makes a person happy.
 
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#24 Posted : 3/18/2015 5:56:36 AM

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When i was younger a very smart and wise person told me something that has had a lifelong impact on my relationships.

He said that when two individuals come together they should be greater then the sum of their individual nature. It is the responsibility of your partner to encourage you to be a better person. And conversely yours. And furthermore its your responsibility to make sacrifices along with her.

I think its interesting that when you start courting someone to watch your language, and hold in your farts until the date is over even to the point of intense bowel discomfort. But then we let our gaurd down and let them see all our flaws and weaknesses.

I, nor anyone, can tell you what the right course is, im sure you know this. Us psy users will have a biased viewpoint of course and encourage you to talk to her about your desire to do this. So ill respond to you OP as disinterested as i can.

Do you love her?
Are you willing to make this sacrifice for her? If the answer is yes then good for you, youre a better man than me. If the answer is no, then why are you willing to let something like this make her uncomfortable regardless of how pointless or senseless her reasoning is.

I would ask you to look deeper into the reason you want to do this and deeper into her reasoning. Only the two of you working as a team can bore down.
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#25 Posted : 3/18/2015 8:52:47 AM

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What do you each want from this relationship? Girls are very posessive, and if you're mind is occupied deeply with deep psych stuff, it can indeed be exactly what a gf doesn't want. She wants you to be focussed and into her.

Probably best to have a proper chat about this. Probably some jealousy and fear on her part that you're still wanting to continue exploring.

Try and work at a compromise, or even contemplate going seperate ways. It makes no sense to be in a relationship with a girl if there's a clashing of interests.

Have a chat, then decide what's morst important for you in your life right now.
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#26 Posted : 3/18/2015 9:23:00 AM

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hug46 wrote:
DeltaSpice wrote:

The change for the better comes from doing DMT and Harmalas, making me a better person, no more depression or anxiety , nothing really gets to me anymore (apart from certain posts), I see a bigger picture.


Ok, i am getting the impression that the above sentence is a veiled attempt at saying that you were insulted by my post. If that is so, then i apologise. It"s just an opinion based upon my own analysis of how i personally react to these experiences. Nothing much really gets to me either. There"s no point in getting het up over the random ramblings of some other person on an internet forum.

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Meeting an Alien and knowing not choosing to believe that there are other forms of life out there changes everything from the ground up, for me.


I guess that if you have a partner who has never experienced DMT and decide to tell them that you have met aliens and KNOW that they exist, common sense dictates that they might be a bit confused and worried about what"s going on in your head. I think that it is healthy to contemplate as to who may actually be being "left behind" in a scenario like this.

I still stand by my alien/god/supernatuaral belief analogy. I understand the appeal of knowing (or believing) that there is something else beyond our normal ken and don"t actually think that there"s anything wrong with it, as long as it makes a person happy.

Apology accepted, you are forgiven and may proceed with your life Neutral
But being serious though, your post hit a nerve because I've been kind of arguing with a friend recently concerning my Alien encounter.
He firmly believes that some people he has never before witnessed a UFO landing in Rendlesham Forest in 1980 (maybe they did). Yet he is telling me, a good friend who is a serious person, who doesn't lie or embellish stories, that my Alien encounter was all in my head and that these drugs have fkt me up.
I suppose I should keep my Alien tales to myself really.
The funny thing is that the Alien said to me,"Don't tell anyone about this"
Recently I've had encounters with the female spirit of the vine, as shocking or as crazy as it may sound, there is a spirit or a being or some thing within the Aya vine.
This stuff sounds crazy to me too but it is what it is Thumbs up
 
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#27 Posted : 7/22/2015 11:08:12 PM

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Hey guys,
I wanted to give ya'll an update because I am at another crossroads in my relationship. About 3 weeks ago, my girlfriend broke up with me. We lived together last year, but this summer she took a research internship so she has been away.ADDRESS HOW WE WERENT LIVING TOGETHER NEXT YEAR At first all I got for reasoning was that we were growing apart. Today we talked about it further in an attempt for me to understand how we were moving apart. It pretty much boils down to my growing interest/viewpoints on psychedelics. When we started dating I had only had small encounters with psychedelics, but of the past two years my interest has really increased in them to a point of being an integral part in my spiritual development. I used my girlfriend as an outlet for sharing/talking about my interest, because she was the person I was closest too and there are not many people I can really talk about this sort of thing with. I have overwhelmed her because I have become passionate about something that is foreign to her and I have changed my worldview.

I think that my relationship is not worth losing if I can manage to keep separate my interest in psychedelics and my girlfriend (i.e. quit talking about them as much, do not take them around her) I offered her this idea and also said that maybe we could take a step back in terms with our closeness (we spend a lot of time together). I was already planning on moving out in the next couple of weeks to live with a friend so that we could have some more space in our relationship before we had broken up. I felt that living together full time was not conducive to our relationship especially during college and we had just sort of happened to end up living together in the first place. She won't be back in town for another couple of weeks so we both have time to think over how we should proceed or if we should proceed. I would like to maintain a relationship with her, though its not completely my decision as she needs to see if she would be okay doing this. I am okay with keeping things separate, as I how found a group of friends also interested in entheogens that I have spent more time with this summer.

How do you guys feel about this situation? I hate to lose someone I am very close with, but I am not sure if it is better for me to go ahead and just move on or to try and make things work?

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#28 Posted : 7/23/2015 3:12:02 AM

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" I have overwhelmed her because I have become passionate about something that is foreign to her and I have changed my worldview."

Really? You really think you did something to her?

There is a lot of blame within that statement. It's a violent way of communicating, with others..with yourself..w/e. This is the world. It's not static. That's life. She may have become overwhelmed, but did you do that to her? Did she somehow become a victim of your passions? Contemplate the manner in which you are telling this story.

Don't blame yourself, or carry around some kind of guilt. Don't blame anyone. It's just life. These kinds of things you don't do to others. They just happen.

Often we cling to things that were gone long ago. People have legs, and when they get up and walk away, it is because they choose to.
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#29 Posted : 7/23/2015 3:32:14 AM

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If she has a problem with it, she has a problem with it. You can talk and talk and talk but if someone has made up their mind about it you'll just be wasting your time. I've given up trying to convince people of the benefits of psychedelics, trying to change their perception of a class of substances that have great potential for healing rather than the demonizing propaganda most people know. If they approach it with an open mind, willing to learn, I'll discuss it for hours on end.

If you plan on psychedelics being an integral part of your life, at least for the foreseeable future, it is logical to assume that those closest to you will have to become accepting of that as an aspect of your life. Trying to force yourself into a life that you know isn't right for you just to please someone else is never the right answer.

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#30 Posted : 7/23/2015 4:04:45 AM

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Really sorry to hear about your troubles man, relationships can be tough especially when it comes to world views or something that polarizes opinions so much. Situations like this can really highlight the sometimes sad truth that we cannot truly open someone else's mind, sure we can show people doors and new vistas. As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink..

Imo you've opened a Pandora's box by engaging in the topic if she is not open to them. A big lesson of psychedelics is letting go and I would consider meditating on this. Regardless of if you keep talking about it or not with her if she is not open to them and you both continue your relationship I would say there is a good chance that it will only prolong/delay your suffering. It may sound a little harsh but if you were really as connected as you would like to think she would be open to delving deeper together, or at least accepting of your openness to things she doesn't understand.

As has been mentioned by others you really can't take ownership of her reactions that's really messy and will likely only create stories for you that will play out in other parts of your life. Life isn't always what we 'desire' but the best thing is always be true to ourselves. I wish you all the best.
 
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#31 Posted : 7/23/2015 1:38:38 PM

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You guys have all answered with responses I know to be true, but that I find hard to deal with. I am afraid to move on. I know it will afford me much greater opportunities in the long run. I really appreciate having this outside opinion. Its hard for me to see my relationship end over something like this, but I recognize that it pretty far out of the scope of most people and that most people do not want to take the leap.
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