What do you mean when talking about "sending you back with an empty heart"? Were they going to suck out your heart energy or something?

I think "cosmic interpersonal existential crisis" is apt for an entheogenic forum such as this, talking about the generating of the "divine within".
Some things hinder this entheogenesis such as other people in null24 case, cannabis for some, opiates for others.

These ancient cultures were clearly closer to the 'source' and much more in touch with thier symbiotic existence with the planet so it comes as no surprise to me that they had these glimpses into the mystery, of which many are cross-cultural and repeat themselves over time, be that with or without entheogens.

With the developments in neuroscience we will get to see our innerspace in more detail and understand our super complex brains, where these divinations may reside, use to sommunicate with us or temporarily inhabit.
One dubious loose association (my belief system scramblingy something together to aid my survival or just to stop me questioning so much??) I've made recently (that the rational part of me feels very uneasy about lol) between the brain and the universe is about black-holes and how the einstein-rosen bridge bridge predicts the shape of the universe, look how the brain is curled up like the universe.
The Brain My point is I think the universe is basically one big brain.

Im starting to suspect that entities encountered are facets of us that are unattached to temporal factors and by using enthoegens we are able to communicate with our non-temporal facets of ourself that are closer to the 'source' uninhibited by the ego or everyday sensory data that enables us to gain clarity and wisdom about ourselves and our existence. Or maybe its just turtles all the way down.

Yes, haha. (Keep it going with the black-hole theory)

If the brain is house for facets of ourself does this mean we are all descendants of hindus at some point? Since Null24 became Khrisna. I temporarily became Vishnu. Or something of the sort. All mixed up with egyptian imagery and greek mythology in the same session. Although, the Vishnu scene was entirely in it's own world. These things I really wish to talk about.

And becoming closer to being our truest innermost self without hindrance of ego or people is so much a goal we need to set for ourselves. Having these experiences makes it easier to resonate with certain cosmic aspects. I can imagine the strength of these experiences pulling through a lot of hardships with these memories of being disintergrated by Krishna and put back together as a driving force.

Although, in a lot of cases. The general archeic way of being disintergrated is by snakes and demons. And rebirth, well I don't know. I've never been there. But.. I do feel like Hinduic elements are becoming more globally emergent and this religion is one interpretation perspective that we may see a lot more of. And basically Null24 if you ask me went through this archeic rebirth process in the symbolic light of hinduic interpretation. I personally woulden't mind if the web would weave deeper and deeper into hindu-spirituality for the planetsphere at this point.

My god, this brought about a flashback. Thanks for taking the time to talk about this experience. It can be a very bad idea to trip around an immature annoying energy like that, sorry you had to go through this.

It's absolutely infuriating to have someone interrupt you and demand something of you in a blissful tryptamine state, cockiness is such a nuisance and it can be unconsciously dragged into hyperspace with you. One's own ego is enough to deal with, let alone someone else's in such a state. Kali probably saw fit to destroy everything just to make sure there was no contamination

I had the exact same thing happen to me and it was hell. I don't think his age was anything to do with it, he just sounds cocky and annoying and a bad kind of energy to surrounded by when entering into hyperspace. Mindset and setting tainted, hyperslapped, humiliated. No surprises. It was my fault for going ahead with it.

Looks like you know the drill though, we can chalk it all up to experience in the end, so long as we learn from them

Null24, you have been smoking harmalas recently. Were harmalas involved here too? If so, you should be aware that smoking a second dose works incremental. When smoking DMT in combination with harmalas, always add small amounts of DMT for a redose, not a standard dose.

Heck I'm trying to find the context of that but can't. I don't recall saying that here, but do remember meaning to say something about how 'they put me back GENTLY,after so violently tearing me apart ,i type this stuff out on my phone, and the auto spell sometimes gets some weirdness by my less than stellar editing skills. Maybe that's what it meant, (shrugs)
EDIT:OH, duh, first post. But yeah, that's what i meant. Actually i said AT LEAST THEY DIDN'T put me back with an empty one. I was sill very shaken when i wrote that.


Thanks, for telling me that, i honestly did not know, but no, I've been laying off, making sure I've gotten them out of my system. I had a bad reaction to overdoing it with rue, i smoked seeds on a daily basis for several days, and experienced aggressiveness and high anxiety. It was the same way I've felt from SSRIs, so i pointed my finger at serotonin overload, but it has been pointed out to me in a thread on the subject that it could be a myriad of things.
I plan to do this again, with the benefit of rue, i think it would have been much easier.

I have had a few of these fortunately/unfortunately.

Once I was flying at the speed of light, completely disembodied, towards a white light through a tunnel. There was a being floating around the tunnel observing me, I thought that for sure I had done it this time. I resisted the light and death for at least 5 minutes straight. (I know that resistance makes it worse, but I couldn't help it that time).

Another time, after drinking about 10 beers and having the stupid idea to do D after that drinking, I catapulted onto an electric grid, completely disembodied, and just stayed stuck there for an eternity, I was just stuck on that grid waiting for my soul to be processed as I was about 100% convinced that I had accidentally killed myself. Then, I started thinking about my loved ones, and was so sad that I had killed myself and how they would feel, that went on for about 10 minutes. There are a couple of others, but.

Anyway, those experiences are what makes my hands shake and my knees tremble every time I pick up the GVG. If it wouldn't be for those, I wouldn't worry.

Still good to know how it feels to die and come back to life. That should be a blessing, an initiation, a rite of passage into amateur shamanism.

Some people insist on tripping with others, to me it is totally a solo mission behind locked doors.

I have never had a hyperslap. From all the replies in this thread i can"t work out whether it is a good thing, a bad thing or a bad thing that you gain something positive from.



You are planning to do it again? If it was a harrowing experience why would you want to repeat it? Be careful. You"re a grown up i am sure that you know what you are doing. I"m a bit of a lightweight so i think that i wouldn"t want to have an experience like that more than one time. I was hit by a car a few years ago while on my motorbike. It nearly killed me and i see it as one of the most beneficial experiences of my life but i sure as shit wouldn"t want it to happen again.

As far as the person that you were with goes i reckon it could have been worse. There are genuinely bad people to be doing these kinds of activities with. My mate was tripping on acid with some guy at a party and they decided to do some DMT. As soon as my mate inhaled this guy starts saying " Oh, you shouldn"t have done that! It"s all gonna go bad!" And, suffice to say, he proceeded to have quite a bad time.
Your guy just sounded a bit stupid but who isn"t at 24 years old? People who are aged between 18 and 30 generally think they know it all. It"s a right of passage being a twenty-something smartarse.

Well it was d definitely a good thing that was hard to endure. And i guess that came out wrong when i said i intend to repeat. I mean i still feel there's a lot of inter personal work to do with the help of this substance, and its the powerful, high dose experiences where the work seems to get done. However, i intend to take the lessons of respect for the molecule and companions much more seriously. If i cannot entice one of the people from my local meet up group, or a certain licensed psycho therapist who received training in using psychedelics from Anne Shulgin who I'm making friends with locally(hey, if you're reading this and no i haven't asked you yet. ) then i plan to do some serious grounding work and take some other considerations before i do.

This is what the psychedelic is all about, to me. These powerful, life changing deep experiences. Without this community though, putting them into practical use in my daily life might not even be possible. I'm so incredibly grateful that we have this enlightened (there's no other word) community where this can be discussed rationally. Thank you so much, i mean really, thank you, i love you all.

I really want to impart how much i also am grateful to have become a part of a group of locals that meet regularly to do what we are doing right here-supporting, learning, teaching and growing. We are pioneers in a new space, exploring more or less blindly. The ones who came before opened doors, but through the work we are doing here as individuals and a group, i think that we are truly on the verge of something really really big for our culture. While I'm certainly no organiser, i implore everyone to start, find or join something similar. Maybe I'm full of it, but i really don't think so.

I don't see any difference between "cosmic existential crisis" and "personality problem" to be honest, seems like the same thing to me. Why would you be offended if someone say's it's not cosmic and it really is just a personality problem?

Thanks for sharing this. I have not had an experience that bad with spice though I have had a pretty bad one after which I quit smoking cigarettes for a few months. Heavy tryptamine space can go all different ways though there is usually something to be gained from it.

Having certain people around while you use spice can have a very real effect on the experience; I have had people that focus on me very intensely and whatever energy they're exuding can be felt or hinder me. This goes both ways, when I'm around someone who's smoking I meditate on the feeling of being in that state and focus my mind the way I would as if I were about to smoke. I prefer to smoke alone.

Not much to say on Dxm other than it is almost entirely destructive from what I have seen and experienced.

Glad you have found some new wisdom from this experience.

I would hesitate to call the exp bad, it was challenging, a test of endurance, but not bad. In fact, it was what i needed. Well, not the bad trip partner stuff but the deep death and rebirth has found me in the emotional state where i want to be. It seems to have cleared out some channel, allowing me to be more creative in all ways.

I'm finding that my mind is quiet enough now to be able to hear the inner voice that has my best interest in mind. I feel that it gave me the push out into the channel i needed to catch a good current. Now, it's a matter of focusing deliberate intent to my course and keep going forward. Nothing like death to put m life in perspective.

they only send you back with a full heart

Thanks for sharing that report. Wow. After a hyperslap it's scary to go back. I like your attitude about it. You might try the harmalas sub-lingual and use harmala free enhanced leaf if you are set on using them. Sublingual an hr before freebase seems to do well but have less negative bodyload. Harmalas definitely deepens my perceptions and the recall.

I feel you bro, I know exactly what you've experienced. I had encounter with Kali too. Pulling and stretching my mind and soul like it's made of soft rubber, and shredding it to pieces at same time. But to think that she was just "merciful" and decided I had it enough, that it would be enough to learn the lesson...damn, what does she do when she's really angry?