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concombres
#21 Posted : 2/1/2015 9:34:21 PM

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Looks like some nice smoke jailbird Big grin
I'd seriously suggest you NEVER eyeball dmt.
The first time i weighed 20mg of small crystals i was in shock. It was a miniscule ammount. Tiny.
May be more with fluffier spice, but still. Very hard to eyeball & very easy to dose WAY too much on accident which is not fun.
Wait for the scale & start low.
 

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#22 Posted : 2/1/2015 9:48:04 PM

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concombres wrote:
Looks like some nice smoke jailbird Big grin
I'd seriously suggest you NEVER eyeball dmt.
The first time i weighed 20mg of small crystals i was in shock. It was a miniscule ammount. Tiny.
May be more with fluffier spice, but still. Very hard to eyeball & very easy to dose WAY too much on accident which is not fun.
Wait for the scale & start low.



Hey concombres Smile

Not to argue etc. but I feel eyeballing is a safe method; it is all I have ever done. Granted it is possible to take to much, it is only a possibility, this has never happened to me. If you start very low then this should not be an issue, you can see how potent the material you are working with is just by using a very small amount. Spice also hits everyone differently and some people need more than others to achieve similar levels of effects. Also it seems the potency of spice can vary experience by experience, even when using the same material and it being the same person. It is almost like the spice has a life of its own and decides how much it wants to give you. That being said a very large dose is almost sure to cause intense effects and a very low dose most likely will not be overwhelming; however I have had tiny doses where I am expecting small effects end up sending me to that "other world".

Something to keep in mind when starting out is that you will most likely not be vaporizing your material a hundred percent efficiently the first (or 50th) time. You need to keep this in mind because if you try a certain amount of spice and it doesn't do much, or anything, this same amount may have you experiencing very strong effects next time, if you vaporize it correctly.

But, keeping everything relevant in mind, it is safe to start off eyeballing dosage, low and carefully. If you are going to do this just have all the information relevant in mind so that the only unknown you have left is the dosage. Be aware of vaporizing method and efficiency of method and start very low to establish the relative potency of your material. Also be aware of any unvaporized/residual spice that may be left from your last dose.

I highly recommend infusing your spice into some kind of herb; the usefulness of this is twofold: you won't have to worry about learning how to vaporize correctly and will be able to easily eyeball a dose.

Keep us updated, much love!
 
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#23 Posted : 2/1/2015 10:18:51 PM

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I have to agree with concombres - definitely buy scales.

If you does by eye then you are going to be wasteful in one way or another in most circumstances, and you will not be able to gauge your break through dosage which is important for future use !

Get Scales and don't buy cheap ones as they usually tend to fluctuated when weighing miligrams Smile
 
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#24 Posted : 2/1/2015 11:11:14 PM

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Everyone's advice is much appreciated! I've seen a lot of different reviews on whether eyeballing is ok or not. Personally I would like to get the scale and be able to find out what my breakthrough dose is like you say. That being said I'm also very antsy and went ahead and tried it with an oil burner a little bit ago (which I really hated to purchase btw)
I definitely didn't plan on breaking through so I used a very small amount just to get my feet wet. Pretty sure I wasted most of it though not using the oil burner correctly. I felt a little bit of a buzz and vibrating sounds. Good, but didn't last for more than a minute, nothing significant. Might try to put together "the machine" for my next, measured dose.
 
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#25 Posted : 2/2/2015 12:37:35 AM

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I've never used an oil burner but i'ver heard mixed reviews.

Freebase imo is very finicky & hard to smoke corectly. The gvg works very well but it's expensive.

First handful of times i burned alot & didn't get full effect.

The best advice i can gice you aside from making changa is to not be afraid to waste a bit & experiment with different smoking methods until you find what works best for you.

You can always extract more dmt & good smoking method comes with experimentation.

Edit:
The machine can be extremely hot, nasty, & unpleasant to smoke from. Numb lips, hot smoke, & coughing are something i experienced every time.
If you have a nice glass bong or can get one cheap, use the copper mesh the way you would with the machine in that.

Make a mesh disk (get rid of oils & all that on the copper first) fit it into your bong slider. Melt your dose in carefully, then withoit flaming it directly, vape your dmt off that.
Water in the bong helps with cooling & keeping the vapor much smoother.
 
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#26 Posted : 2/2/2015 12:41:25 AM

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My thoughts exactly concombres. I have plenty more bark to work with.
 
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#27 Posted : 2/2/2015 12:47:53 AM

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Another thing i will say as well, don't get caught up & focused on breaking through.
If you keep smoking dmt, eventually you will breakthrough. It's inevitable.
Just smoke when you feel the calling, get used to it at your own pace, & one day you'll find yourself there Big grin
 
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#28 Posted : 2/2/2015 5:02:24 AM

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Looks awesome Bro keep it up Smile Big grin
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#29 Posted : 2/2/2015 7:35:47 PM

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concombres wrote:
Another thing i will say as well, don't get caught up & focused on breaking through.
If you keep smoking dmt, eventually you will breakthrough. It's inevitable.
Just smoke when you feel the calling, get used to it at your own pace, & one day you'll find yourself there Big grin


Stop This is just what I'd say.

What is an oil burner? Is that like one of those pieces people use to smoke hash oil? If so it is not going to be efficient for vaping the crystals you have; I have heard of friends using one rather successfully but this was done using a waxy, oily glob of nmt/spice mixture and could be "dabbed" as they say in stoner terms.

Infusing onto herb is a quick and easy way to go if you are eager to try it out and using a bong makes this extremely efficient. If you want to go ahead and vaporize the crystals you will need indirect heat, like the machine or gvg; it's essentially just a way of heating without direct flame and at a steady temperature. You could devise all sorts of methods once you are familiar with the basic way in which your material reacts to varying temperatures.
Be creative and aware
 
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#30 Posted : 2/2/2015 8:51:38 PM

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concombres wrote:


What is an oil burner? Is that like one of those pieces people use to smoke hash oil? If so it is not going to be efficient for vaping the crystals you have; I have heard of friends using one rather successfully but this was done using a waxy, oily glob of nmt/spice mixture and could be "dabbed" as they say in stoner terms.

Infusing onto herb is a quick and easy way to go if you are eager to try it out and using a bong makes this extremely efficient. If you want to go ahead and vaporize the crystals you will need indirect heat, like the machine or gvg; it's essentially just a way of heating without direct flame and at a steady temperature. You could devise all sorts of methods once you are familiar with the basic way in which your material reacts to varying temperatures.
Be creative and aware

It's a meth pipe. Aka a glass dick. Acually what I got was a really tiny bong with no stem which is basically the same thing. I don't wanna infuse with herb cuz I'm not a huge fan of being high. Plus I'd rather not taint the exprience.
 
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#31 Posted : 2/2/2015 9:14:43 PM

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Yeah that is what I use every time it works perfectly, I don't really see a need to spend on a GVG even though they are supposedly really good.

Simply load the bulb end with around 40 mg (0.04 g) and heat with a lighter around 1 cm below the bulb. The spice should melt almost instantly, roll the pipe between your fingers whilst holding the lighter underneath - try not to heat the same area continuously.

It should slowly begin to vaporise, the bowl should start filling up. Take a long slow pull on it with the lighter still underneath and it should start smoking properly.

Keep the lighter heating the bulb at all times.

Try and take at least three long, slow pulls and hold for around ten seconds each. When you feel you can smoke no more get someone to force the last one in you, it makes all the difference.

It's tricky at first but you will get the hang of it, I would advise not to use ash or any other layer underneath the spice as it tends to get sucked up into the pipe and into your mouth which is really off putting when you're trying to concentrate on your smoking technique.
 
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#32 Posted : 2/2/2015 9:26:45 PM

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Yeah, I kind of figured that out apparently I was doing it all wrong. I was putting the flame directly on the bulb and I think I might've vaporized it all too quickly although I never really got a good thick vapor coming out, you could barely see it. After 3 or 4 hits I definitely felt a buzz. My whole body was tingly and I could hear a strange humming. And visually my surroundings sort of warped in and out just a bit. This is terrible... but it reminded me of the couple times I tried sniffing rubber cement in middle school! This only lasted a couple minutes. My next attempt will be better I'm sure.
 
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#33 Posted : 2/2/2015 9:45:23 PM

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I find that smaller amounts are harder to deal with in a glass pipe. I generally use 50 mg each time now and the pipe is always still smoking after I'm finished. I don't mind wasting the extra smoke if it means I always get my 4 huge pulls.

Try and up the dosage a little bit, if you feel comfortable with that, it smokes much better with a little more spice.
 
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#34 Posted : 2/4/2015 6:02:35 PM
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Congrats brother, that looks nice imho, noob here too.
 
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#35 Posted : 2/4/2015 7:32:49 PM

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Congrats brother, that looks nice imho, noob here too.

Hey thanx! All I did was follow earthwalkers tek to the tee and got decent results. Prolly gonna do another extract this weekend. Glad the bark I got produced. That was one thing I really worried about, investing that much time and not getting anything would've been a huge bummer!
 
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