SWIM gave up herb about a year ago now, he (and particularly his wife) noticed that his behavior was changing, along with all the usual side effects of heavy use, lethargy and memory impairment, he developed a short fuse around the people he loved. It dawned on swim that the herb was dipping him beneath consciousness in a way... He was becoming more and more identified with his ego, this in turn led to arguments and little problems becoming big ones.

Since stopping he feels much more grounded and conscious of his own moods and ego. And a surprising thing happened that swim did not expect... SWIM likes to write music and he found that he is far more creative now while fit and healthy than he was while baked most days. SWIM always felt herb enhanced the creative juice, he was wrong tho... It made creativity interesting, but didn't enhance it like being truly present seems to.

You'll feel better and better each day

I think is a lack of side effects what makes mj so addictive. Ilpt was addicted to both alcohol and mj.He was also addicted to cigarette but since lack of mental effects when smoking cigarete make quiting it easiest.
He gave up with booz 5 months ago and don`t wanna start again, but wasn`t that lucky with mj.

Once he gave up for three months but then idea of smoking creeps in. Last summer he hated weed and was about to give up, when he found weed addicted girlfriend(more then him)
Girlfriend gone 3 months ago but ILPT is still addicted
Today he has the same idea to give up and called for help elephant creeper(with 5 datura stramonium seeds and 3 grams of yohimbe bark to soothen up side effects)
Unfortunately 8 seeds (as a pepermint tea macerate) wasn`t enough to produce strong trip and idea of smoking some weed to support psychedelic effects creeps in again.

he came over that anxious periode you were talking about(harmalas helped a lot)

He loves weed for giving him numerous ammount of flasbacks from stronger psychedelics(dmt,lsd,shrooms)
He knows it`s bad for him and wanna give up,but it`s so hard because of great psychedelic effects and lack of side effect. Munchies from weed are so enjoyable, it`s so plesurable to eat when you stoned

He thinking he would call cactii for help.
Last time he vomit grately and lost half of the dose which gave him very mild effects, so he drank few beers(that time he was drinking)and got massive headache
Now, when he isn`t drinking and have some datura seeds handy ,it could be much nicer or stronger sort of insight trip to reconsider using of weed
Or maybe just go for higher dose of HBWR

I will have to try datura stramonium soon, maybe with some spice. I have some stored away but have yet to test them..

Wow..I feel so grateful to be a part of this amazing community. I feel like I can come on here and really be me..I really appreciate the support. This place is a good example of what our society could be like if we could all just be a little bit more open..thanks nexus! I only hope I can give back to this community as much as it has gven me.

SWIM has been smoking for about ten years. SWIM now gets the same anxiety and weird uncomfortable feeling most of you describe. SWIM thinks its partially the strength of the weed and partially SWIMs brain saying you gotta take a break. SWIM thinks cutting down is best option. Or taking longer breaks.

SWIM also thinks growing your own nice soil grown normal not so potent strain helps a lot. SWIM never gets these feelings from good mild soil grown bud. Only superpotent hydro grown stuff. Anyone notice that?

welcome back to live.

SWIM also used to be a habitual smoker and thinks he was a little addicted too. If he had weed he smoked it, if he didnt have weed he would buy it.
He was a serious stoner and it used to be the first thing he did when he got up (on wknds) and when he got in from work. Sometimes he used to have a small one before work : )
Although SWIM didnt seem to suffer from these bouts of paranioa and anxiety yall mention, he always seemed to be in a battle bewteen his sober and stoned self.
His stoned self was happy to sit around and do fuck all all day, whilst his sober self knew that this was counterproductive and he should be doing something with his time. This lead to a kinda frustrated feeling which used to ruin the high.
Anyhow, luckily for swim, as much as he hates the fascist bastatrds at work for doing it, his work have introduced random drugs testing so he has kinda been forced to stop.
He still does smoke very occasionally but only on get togethers with old firnds and festivals and stuff. He found that he appreciated the effects much more with very occasional use. He also noticed that when he has smoked after not having smoked for a while, his mind is really foggy for a few days/weeks after. You can really feel it hanging around.

SWIM saw a post on the thread earlier on this thread about eating it. This is something swim hasnt tried, but has heard the effects are completely different to smoked, much more psychedelic. Can anyone shed light on this and how is it done? Do you just eat bud or doe you need to extract it in butter or oil or something?

better?

Cannabis is a plant and drug nothing wrong with it.

Just like booze is a nasty poison I know

Things are what they are.
That is all
Demons exist in the mind.

MV harsh again

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Thats a bit harsh dude.
I dont think people are putting down pot per se, they are just sharing some similar trends which have occurred with prolonged habitual use.
But yeah, like you say, if you dont like it, then dont smoke it, it just might be that it takes something like these paranioa bouts to make you realise that you dont like it

Those can be the best one's

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Well they sure did help the morning go a lot quicker haha

Lady Cannabis is such a femme fatale haha... and SWIM loves her

Its true that it goes in phases.. From 13 to 20 SWIM smoked pretty much everyday, with rare exceptions... He got through school and all with good grades, going out, doing things.

At some point, though, SWIM realized that smoking all day, specially starting in the morning, was not doing him any good.. He didnt make as much effort in some things. a lot again

So for the last 4-5 years he found his personal 'formula' of how to relate to this plant, which is to first do obligations (whether that is job, studying, making physical exercise, whatever), and only smoke after, when one can sit and listen to some music and reflect on the day and things. The general exception SWIM gives to himself is when he is traveling, then if the context permits, he smokes more.

Also once in a while taking like a month-long break (or more) to at least get a perspective on the previous habbit, is always an enlightening thing to do (not only with smoking but with a lot of things)

Just like with any substance, there are also better or worse ways of relating to a substance depending on the person and the context.. So sometimes a lot of the problems of cannabis can be avoided if we relate to it in different ways. SWIM has for the last few months been in love with vaporizing, and feels this is a much better way of using cannabis (in the case when its possible to do so).

In any case, you should also listen to your own body and mind and if cannabis just doesnt feel good for you anymore, then stop it.. Maybe at some point it works better for you but in the meanwhile why not take a break?

I used to smoke prob 3 times before work, and on my breaks, sometimes even while working, before college and in between classes, on the way home from work or school, than when I got home, than I would basically smoke all afternoon long with my brother or friends..ohh, and those real late 3am sessions as well lol..so I think I am due for a break.

I had one of the weirdest reality altering dreams last night, and it went on all night..consisting of naked philosophers congregating on the ganges river in india(never been there), they all went to some parallel universe, and me and my friends were swept along into this portal with them..but at the same time it was a movie we were all watching..like a movie of ourselves. Anyway, tom hanks was there, but he was there crazy leader who sacrificed his son for some deranged unknown reason. He was the leader of this weird subset of earth..My friend went crazy or something in this supermarket we were in where all we could buy was weird strips of meat and other strange foods..the people there realized he wasnt "one of them"..so they held him captive..there was this one really fat indian guy who helped us escape, but as we were driving away, I realised that we could not get away becasue the whole world was like this, and that I had def been there before. This was like EXTREME dejavu..but made no sense becasue the dream was sooo out there..yet soo familiar. Even now I feel like I have had that dream maybe 10 times over already, but can't really recollect ever having it..there was sooo much more going on but I cant even begin to explain it all. THe part where were sucked from the banks of the river into the portal was really weird..everything inside of it broke down into swirling particles of light, but i was able to watch ourselves sucked through it..my freinds gf commented on how she likes movies like this..but the move was ABOUT us....

Everytime I have stopped for a few days, basically when in another country..I get the weirdest dreams like that. I remember terrence mckenna commenting on how vivid and such his dreams got when he stopped for a bit..

ILPT smoked some a while ago an feel a bit anxious or stresed out. He has to say yesterday`s elephnat creepers +yohimbe+datura combo was extremely nice compare to this and he has to stay away from weed.
Would be mescaline the best helper when quiting this addiction ?

But Guys ILPT is very interested in THCV tetrahydrocanabivirin, it`s not much info out about it, but rumors said it should be stronger(active in lower dose) then THC and more LSD like, also it potentiate other canabinoids.
He believe he came once in his life accross weed high in THCV, it was purchased somewhere in south Amsterdam under name Jack Herrer.
The picture show with closed eyes was overhelming but friendly, not allien or scary. There was heavy stoned effect too, problems walking etc.

Did you guys have had halucinogennic like weed ?

Very true....The thing is, I have alot of food allergies, and the negative effects I get from cannabis these days really does parallel my food allergy symptoms..even after months without those foods. My naturalpath even warned me of this. But if it is that, my body will adjust and loose that responce after a few months haitus.

I feel like smoking right now though, got no work today so off to the spice cannon

I just came back from a very clean, very clear changa trip.I set up a small alter with some stones my brother and sister gave me, and some dinosour fossils a freind from paraguay brought me, and a giant salt rock crystal with a light inside of it was turned on, inscents lit and a single feather from my crow brothers was used to direct the smoke..tools 10000 days was put on and 2 bowls of mimosa full alkaloids mixed with cappi alks and evapped into peppermint leaf was smoked. There wasnt mush going on at all in the way of CEV..except for about 30 seconds at the paek of the second hit. I saw the veil for a brief time, bu it was sort of lacking in colour, just red and black patterns with a bit of gold(I thinkthe jungle does that at times)..but with eyes open things were enhanced and going crystaline.

It was really euphoric, I could really feel the overtones in the music, but was also very clear headed. I really noticed the diff of smoking my changa with a clear head as opposed to a stoned head. Anyways, I can still feel effects, really beautiful, very healing feeling.

Yes, my imaginary elf does have one plant in his growbox he is not about to give up on. It will not be ready for about 5 or 6 weeks still though, so maybe he will just make edibles out of the buds for special occasions. He does find that eating is a very diff experience. He has made hash from the leaves before as well that seemed to be VERY diff from the buds..way mellower. Prob diff cannabinoids present in the leaves.

I have smoked ganja on and off during my life i started smoking quite a bit later than most of my friends, I have never smoked to often or to much other than when i was in my teens and had just started smoking ganja. I made a decision a few months back to stop ganja all together (I would usually smoke every month or so) due to the realization that ganja doesn't do really very much for me in positive way. I had noticed that my short term memory wasn't functioning as i would have liked it to even though i wasn't smoking very often.

I have made a personal choice to smoke hash only if i smoke, hash seems to give me a much higher high than ganja (even over sativas and since i have started my journey with spice i gravitate more so to higher vibration entheogens even more so than before.) If i smoke hash i definitely wont smoke it very often maybe every three months or so just for a nice meditative treat, its been two months now since my decision and i have noticed great improvements in my mental happiness and calmness as well as with the much higher functioning level of my short term memory recall, its very significant the complete difference it has made just to make a small but very important decision.


Much Peace and Understanding

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sorry couldnt resist

best thing to do i think is take some time off

Good point ohayoco! I experienced this to an extent. When i informed my friends i was trying to quit and to some hinted and to some requested not to smoke around me and when we hang out (meaning im not calling them over to smoke, but to be in their company) My true friends were immediately separated from the others. Your real friends will support you and respect your decision.



I havent been smoking for 2 months already, but am going to in a week or two. But want to change my habits from smoking everyday to once in a while. Smoking everyday 5 times a day really didnt get me high anymore... Didnt feel anything.