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It sure sounds like an interesting avenue to investigate. Try to relax and feel your way through it, even as it may seem difficult at the beginning.
Try to keep your breathing deep and relaxed (breathe out deeply, breathing in is automatic). Listening to your heart and feeling its pulsing can be a good way to anchor yourself.
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Mushrooms can be extremely powerful entheogens, or any plant medicine for that matter.
I can tell you with a degree of certainty - lose the phone, the TV, the computer. All that just offers as distraction and the littlest cue from any of those can spiral you out to the degree where you start to panic/wonder/fear/hope etc. Especially in the beginning minutes of the experience, as those are crucial minutes.
Set ans setting, as redundant as that phrase is., is the absolute truth. It makes all the difference.
Setup a room with NO distraction, comfortable, candles, water, good music or a peaceful outdoors setting, preferably at night (allowing you to get in tune with the visions).
Entheos can be serious business. They work with what you give them - nothing more nothing less.
best of wishes <3
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This is all pretty strange because in my experience I heard the comments of people I care about. And it slowly begins to turn out that things I heard are things that have been said. Hearing a few thing's here and there from family. Most of the time for me anymore I just see the world as is. Except obviously when it reaches this weird place where everyone seems to be some kind of reflection (In the experience not now)(also I don't mean they look like me but almost like whatever is within me that makes me conscious is within them also). Almost like they don't act till I act. And I don't know if it was just a hallucination or what. It's almost like people are tripping but there trip is me. And some think I'm just gone. But the truth is if you hear someone in your mind in the experience one feels more apt to stay silent. Perhaps it is that I am afraid to speak then. I mean if I look at an object and label it those inside experience it. If I fuck up it can be torture and I don't want that. I still don't know exactly where psychs can take people but if it takes one to a place where they are watching someone else. That person can hear them.
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Hi Psytherion, Sounds like quite the time you had there! Sorry to hear you had such a rotten turn of events, but I agree with the room that you need to work on how you are taking the psychedelics. Was this your first dip into mushrooms? Mushrooms are what got me started doing all the things I do, but they've always been the weirdest psychedelic for me, and will generally avoid them unless the moment is right. Either way, if you do go back to it, try and make sure you are as comfortable as humanly possible, and with people you can talk to. The reason I'm leaving a comment is due to some of the other comments you made. I not only used to work in mental health, but have seen my mum and a close friend both clash with bi-polar disorder. I'm not a professional anymore, but it's safe to say I know a little, and I know warning signs when I see them. I'd say from what you've been explaining to us that there's something a little more than depression going on (I myself have suffered from depression over the years, and managed to essentially cure it through use of psychedelics) which may have been triggered by the psyches, but could also have been there already (I don't know you, so wouldn't presume to say). The exercise and being good to yourself advice here is pretty solid, and I think you should give that a shot. But I'd also recommend having a chat with a doctor about how you are feeling and what you are experiencing as soon as possible. I could be wrong, but if there is another condition going on, it's worth looking into. With mental health, there is no riding it out and hoping it will pass. You either deal with it, or it festers. And, with some conditions, if allowed to fester too long, the results will be catastrophic. Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!” ― Hunter S. Thompson
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Shanghigher wrote:Hi Psytherion,
Sounds like quite the time you had there! Sorry to hear you had such a rotten turn of events, but I agree with the room that you need to work on how you are taking the psychedelics. Was this your first dip into mushrooms? Mushrooms are what got me started doing all the things I do, but they've always been the weirdest psychedelic for me, and will generally avoid them unless the moment is right. Either way, if you do go back to it, try and make sure you are as comfortable as humanly possible, and with people you can talk to.
The reason I'm leaving a comment is due to some of the other comments you made. I not only used to work in mental health, but have seen my mum and a close friend both clash with bi-polar disorder. I'm not a professional anymore, but it's safe to say I know a little, and I know warning signs when I see them. I'd say from what you've been explaining to us that there's something a little more than depression going on (I myself have suffered from depression over the years, and managed to essentially cure it through use of psychedelics) which may have been triggered by the psyches, but could also have been there already (I don't know you, so wouldn't presume to say).
The exercise and being good to yourself advice here is pretty solid, and I think you should give that a shot. But I'd also recommend having a chat with a doctor about how you are feeling and what you are experiencing as soon as possible. I could be wrong, but if there is another condition going on, it's worth looking into. With mental health, there is no riding it out and hoping it will pass. You either deal with it, or it festers. And, with some conditions, if allowed to fester too long, the results will be catastrophic. Thank's for the reply Shanghigher No it was maybe my fourth time useing shrooms, 1st time it was like I confronted the Old Testament God and resigned myself to Hell. But the experience gave me the impression that I gave birth to the universe (interesting) But I was run to the hospital that day though I continually told those with me I was fine. Second time was outside and it reached a point where I started crying but it started raining the second I started and I said to my friend something along the lines of it's us which he took to be crazy so he called some people I knew though I told him to let me get through it. So a lot of my experiences with people and shrooms had been pretty negative on my end anyways. One is crying and the other person is joking that they were going to laugh. And it's like what the Removed! I guess for me my biggest fear is that I'll just go comatose and experience oblivion while I'm still alive and that scares the shit out of me. If I'm alone and I feel like that is my fate I freak out and just want to end it all rather than face that. But I would swear that what I experienced wasn't the first time though physically I know it never happened till now. Did I trip before of what would happen this time? Or maybe it was just because of what I was on that made me feel that way. Then again if these thing's connect us to one another maybe I was just tapping into someone elses experience and acted on it. I'm not sure really. Another thing that is particularly odd too me is in the experience it was like I was God in some way, as I actually think we all are. But it reached some point where like earlier in the thread everyone was vomiting and that and then in my mind I was told to do it but I wouldn't I was too worried about the fact that I would actually do it in the actual world in psychiatric which to be honest. After I got upset with the staff in the lobby the first psychiatrist met with me and was threatening to send me upstairs. And I actually just said go ahead and send me up there. When he asked why I said "I woke up". And to be honest sometimes I'm not totally sure how to relay what happened because I consciously chose everything I did. It wasn't I blacked out or anything I just chose to do it. But when I got upstairs I felt like I had been there for an eternity and wanted out. So for me sometimes it can also be difficult to decide whether to say what someone wants to hear to calm there nerves or to just say yea I did all these different things and I did them knowing it wouldn't end well. But I guess I didn't totally think it through too. It's strange how easy a transition it was from detached to the reexperienceing of disenchantment, feeling things would change then haveing something awaken in me. And decideing to act on some of it, and just so this is clear what I heard in my mind was relatively good. Any negative came from me and just sort of haphazardly thinking it then worrying. Will those within me experience that, Removed! Sorry for the profanity, I know you guys have rules. I won't do that again.
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When I was in the lobby I was actually just trying to get some sleep. But I just couldn't I was hyperaware of this weird reflective state going on. Could I have some subconscious thought that I feel I should be punished or something? I mean for me if all is one then all good and bad are done by one consciousness. I always have the feeling that if the world doesn't awaken I'm as good as gone. Yet I always feel there is some shred of hope that I'll get through it.
I mean I know while I was in the lobby I was envisioning different people in the hospital who had helped me out but then they would wrap the iv tube around my neck it was crazy they started to choke me. Some weird kind of subconscious desire to die or something I don't know because I don't understand what is going on when there. I almost feel like I have to get through this somehow but that something inside almost tries to get rid of me. The Band Meshuggah "Catch Thirty Three" reminds me a lot of it. And some parts in the music echos, could these be subconscious things being transmitted to me? The echo's don't go away either it's just that I can't feel. And with the lack of feeling it makes it difficult to understand what is trying to be said in the music. Too me I can't do this alone but I feel I have to do something.
And another odd thing was when I watched myself die it was like everyone in the room chose to take on whatever happened almost like they saved me but it hurt them. And it turned out that when I went to work that the other guy just started getting cramps the day I got out. There were accident's around my place of work and numerous other things coming up. Makes me feel like I somehow brought it on them.
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Also I recall at some point while in psychiatric feeling like there were a bunch of people around me (Not really there mind you) more of a felt presence. And Friday morning I remember waking up and feeling the same presence around me. But I could see it in mind this time there face was full of something akin to maggots and looking at them was pulling me in. Now I'm not a religious man and don't believe in demons or anything. But do wonder if it's something subconscious or Collective Shadow or something.
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Perhaps I know nothing about our true nature this is all really confusing stuff.
Also regarding something I mentioned earlier in the thread. I recall at times feeling like someone was putting there hands on my shoulder's to prepare me for something. What is that? Because that was new for me.
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Psytherion. it appears that you look for meanings where there probably aren't any.
You are not the center of the universe, just a center - your center. Everybody else is like you, living in their own bubble, primarily occupied with their own quest for meaning. Everytime you feel that other people's purpose in life is solely aimed at you, it is very likely a delusion - your delusion.
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Tattvamasi wrote:Mushrooms can be extremely powerful entheogens, or any plant medicine for that matter.
I can tell you with a degree of certainty - lose the phone, the TV, the computer. All that just offers as distraction and the littlest cue from any of those can spiral you out to the degree where you start to panic/wonder/fear/hope etc. Especially in the beginning minutes of the experience, as those are crucial minutes.
Set ans setting, as redundant as that phrase is., is the absolute truth. It makes all the difference.
Setup a room with NO distraction, comfortable, candles, water, good music or a peaceful outdoors setting, preferably at night (allowing you to get in tune with the visions).
Entheos can be serious business. They work with what you give them - nothing more nothing less.
best of wishes <3 To add to that, Isn't there a Golden Rule about having a sitter? Sometimes a simple analogy is all you need to make things crystal clear. Smile - Akasha224
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