There is no such thing as an oxide experience.

People also say they can tell the difference between synthetic and extracted, yellow and white.

[citation needed]

good question..having tried both, to me,though very close, synthetic dmt is like virtual reality, plant extracts are more like 'reality'...also the synthetic seems to not do as much (additional alkaloids + 'spirit' in the plants?)...be great if someone had the resources to set up blind tests...

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=252212#post252212

the few people i know who've done the synthetic vs plant blind test all found a difference (though that may be due to traces of other things in the extracts)...

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=261389#post261389

I have smoked synthetic, pure DMT many times. It's no difference. Someone may insist that it is, having some personal conviction that a plant spirit or something makes extracted different from synthetic, but that is really nonsense. DMT is a molecule with a definite structure and definite properties that are independent of where it comes from.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=261050#post261050

Although his memories are over 40 years old, my husband did synthetic DMT in the late 1960's. He claims the current, extracted version is identical in effects to synthetic. He says the appearance was different and no one was doing breakthrough doses back then, at least as far as he knew.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=261195#post261195

So far AFAIK there has been only one blind test (Ice House) and he found no difference. I would suspect most, if not all, would not be able to see any difference between different colors.

Each DMT trip is so amazingly strong and unique, even the same batch of dmt can give completely different trips in the same day and place. I find funny how people are so sure to affirm about the differences without ever even taking in account the possibility of self-suggestion.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=198690#post198690

as far as NN goes i completely agree with endless, each dmt exp is so radicaly different that i feel there is no way to conclude any differnces in effects between white and yellow unless you did maybe a hundred blind test of each type and filled out a set questioner log after each trip. then maybe after looking over the data could yoy see some patterns. but not from just a handful of journey's. no way Jose. :

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=263577#post263577

With some help from my wife I have done as many as a dozen blind tests with three variations of spice-

pure white crystaline
bright yellow crystaline
dark orangish waxy jungle

My dose of choice is 30mg

I can decern no difference in onset, intensity, quality, or longevity of experience.

I support and believe in something that endlessness has stated on many an ocassion-

The power of sugestion is huge when it comes to the DMT experience.

Sooooooo that being said, I have made up my mind that there is no difference.
I have halted the official blind testing.
I imagine at this point I am a tainted subject.

IH

SWIM has had very different results with his double blind testing than Ice House.

He has sampled 10 different people with:

A) White spice made with naptha
B) Yellow spice oxidized from white spice on purpose
C) Orange and Purplish stuff made from Limonene
D) Deep purple jim jam scraped up from goo left over after a re-x of Jungle Spice.

A few of them did actually see what they were smoking, but 10 out of 10 people could tell the jim jam from spice. This stuff might have DMT in it as burnt and others have shown, but it is of an immediately recognizable "other" characteristic. The other 3 spices were somewhat more difficult to distinguish. Though the darker the stuff, the more the quality of the experience seemed colored with the Jim Jam effect which is characterized by an entirely different style to the visuals.

Even the white (relatively pure nn dmt) vs. the yellow (n-oxide) was very noticeable to the more sensitive people. The most common report was that it was friendlier and somehow a bit slower to come on. This friendlier vibe has been reported frequently when comparing chacruna based aya to mimosa based aya... and it is well known that chacruna has significantly higher n-oxide levels.

I don't think that Ice House's tests or SWIM's prove anything conclusively, but I will put this to you all logically.

If Ice is right and there was no qualitative difference, than the so called full range spice would be some percentage of extra stuff which would have to be inactive or unnoticeable. Subtract this percentage from the amount consumed and what he is also saying is that there is no qualitative difference between smoking his full dose and smoking this reduced portion.

SWIM tells me that the amount of purple stuff left over after re-xing his darkest material (made with a lot of heat) was fairly substantial. Over 10% of the volume. So that would mean that in this case, Ice would be saying that not only is this purple leftover inactive, but that smoalking 25mg is the same as smoalking 30mg. This is not SWIMs experience.

Perhaps the suggestibility runs both ways. Maybe people who want to believe that the materials are identical will create identical experiences? Who knows. The one certainty for SWIM is that that purple goo was certainly psychoactive and did not resemble any other spice experience as much as it did other psychedelic chemicals he has played with... though it was not extremely strong by weight. He even made some changa with the goo and found that it was not substantially improved.