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Parshvik Chintan
#21 Posted : 1/13/2014 7:23:20 PM

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Just for the record I really don't think a sodium carbonate wash is at all necessary with these sunflower oil/d-limonene teks, and it seems to cause problems for some people.

i agree with you about d-limonene, but i am almost positive you have never used sunflower oil.

smuggelr: you lost me.
just evaporate everything until it is completely dry, and do a mini a/b to clean everything up.
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smuggelr
#22 Posted : 1/13/2014 7:35:04 PM
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ok,
Parshvik
I just thought I would have the goo after the evaporation, not a hard material, so I didn´t boil everything down, but (in the hope it would turn to goo once it cools) left a little rest.
Then I tried to freebase it, but it failed.

If I boil it down now in a pot (I used an oven at a friends house and it would take to long to bake it till it´s all gone), to hard material, how will I ever get it out of the pot again? I imagine I will be left with only a crust or something in that fashion.

My other question is, why did the layers not separate at the first salting, what could be the reason?
 
YargPirate
#23 Posted : 1/14/2014 4:06:20 AM
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You could keep it in that jar and boil water underneath it to evaporate everything. Dmt is pretty resistant to high temps.

What layers are you talking about not separating? excess oil in the vinegar?

Btw, I used a French press for grabbing my sunflower oil pulls and it helped a lot, but I still had a little extra grit in the oil that I had to strain out before the salting.
 
smuggelr
#24 Posted : 1/14/2014 11:04:02 AM
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Yes, the oil just kinda mixed with the vinegar at the first salting.

I just got a french press and will try the second tek with it.

How exactly did you strain it out before the salting? Cotton and coffee filters just seem to absorb the oil, and I don´t want to lose any of it.
 
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#25 Posted : 1/14/2014 12:02:34 PM

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Parshvik Chintan wrote:
i agree with you about d-limonene, but i am almost positive you have never used sunflower oil

I'm almost positive I haven't either (for an extraction at least). But I'm also almost positive that I have never seen a sodium carbonate wash in a dry tek or a sunflower oil tek. And I'm also also almost positive that I have seen multiple threads where people attempted sodium carb wash on sunflower oil and it has caused problems.

Also I'm almost positive that I probably never will use sunflower oil for an extraction because it seems that it can be a huge pain in the @$$. Smile
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YargPirate
#26 Posted : 1/14/2014 7:07:12 PM
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smuggelr wrote:
Yes, the oil just kinda mixed with the vinegar at the first salting.

I just got a french press and will try the second tek with it.

How exactly did you strain it out before the salting? Cotton and coffee filters just seem to absorb the oil, and I don´t want to lose any of it.


Edit: you seem to have a decent amount of MHRB particles in your current jar.

I used a French press to initially separate the oil from the mhrb, then I poured it into a jar and let it sit while some of the mhrb particles settled. If you have a tall jar that is sort of like a graduated cylinder you could just decant the oil into another container for the salting, I used a funnel with 1 square of toilet paper folded into the center instead of a cotton ball.

I think the loss with using just a very small amount of cotton or paper to filter is negligible, but you could always use just a little extra fresh sunflower oil to push out the oil with the actives in it. I'm pretty sure that would work fine.

I've been collecting my salted vinegar for several pulls now, going to make sure to get every bit of oil out of it (there is just a tiny amount at the top) and then evaporate it off. Might take me several days because I'm pressed for time usually, but I will let you know how I fair when I'm done. Depending how it turns out, I'll possibly do the mini A/B on it and then convert to freebase.
 
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#27 Posted : 1/17/2014 8:00:15 PM
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I evaporated the vinegar and was left with a small amount of acetates. The goo definitely seems active judged by the way it smells/tastes(burned a little too and it gave a pleasant spice smell). The yield seems no more than 300mg from me using 100g of mhrb, not great, but I'm learning. I bet there is still more to pull and salt.

Is there a good way to evaporate the vinegar that I don't know about? I think I used way too much vinegar, but it took me about 8 hours to evaporate it in my oven.
 
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#28 Posted : 1/17/2014 8:34:42 PM

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YargPirate wrote:
Is there a good way to evaporate the vinegar that I don't know about? I think I used way too much vinegar, but it took me about 8 hours to evaporate it in my oven.

i just do it on the stove, until it gets reduced considerably, then i put it in a glass dish to fully evap.

also, if i were you i would try doing more pulls and saltings. there is deffo more than 300mg in 100g
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YargPirate
#29 Posted : 1/17/2014 9:16:37 PM
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Parshvik Chintan wrote:
YargPirate wrote:
Is there a good way to evaporate the vinegar that I don't know about? I think I used way too much vinegar, but it took me about 8 hours to evaporate it in my oven.

i just do it on the stove, until it gets reduced considerably, then i put it in a glass dish to fully evap.

also, if i were you i would try doing more pulls and saltings. there is deffo more than 300mg in 100g


Is it fine if the vinegar is boiling?
I definitely am planning on doing more pulls and saltings. What ratio of vinegar to NPS do I need to use? Will heating up the vinegar with a hot water bath when it is mixed with the NPS effect how much is pulled into the vinegar?

Thanks Parshvik, I'm trying to figure out the best way to salt out the acetates without spending a whole day evaporating the vinegar again.
 
Parshvik Chintan
#30 Posted : 1/17/2014 11:11:45 PM

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YargPirate wrote:
Is it fine if the vinegar is boiling?

so i am told, though i prefer to simmer it myself
YargPirate wrote:
I definitely am planning on doing more pulls and saltings. What ratio of vinegar to NPS do I need to use?

only enough vinegar to convert it all to acetate, then you can use water to solve the rest of the acetate out of the NPS
as for heating a salting to increase solubility.. i would think it would work.
water's solubility for many things increases when heated, but idk if that affects acetate alkaloid solubility. it wouldn't hurt, though
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smuggelr
#31 Posted : 1/23/2014 12:06:37 PM
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Hi,
sorry that I didn´t write anything.

So SWIM did a second tek and it worked out just fine. You can see it here. He still has one question. Is his result (it looks like DMT Fumarate) smokable, or should have converse it like this?

SWIM also has a little weird problem. While doing his first tek, he was trying to freebase to early and now he has 45g of crystals (while using 50g of MHRB powder). The problem is, he suspects it´s mostly sodium carbonate.
If you could look into it, SWIM would be very thankful.

Thank you all very much for your help
 
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