Well........I've had more than one experience on the molecule where I realized myself as the Creator of All, and I even, for the briefest of moments, had full knowledge of how I created everything and where it was going. The memory of the details faded pretty quickly, but the feeling of the experiences remain. If you felt it was Prime Creator you met, so be it. But perhaps consider the idea of the Game Masters. The Game Masters are a Plieadian concept; they are entities who, as an occupation, design and create universes and civilizations. They create every detail, "down to the finest artisans and beggars" * . They know their reality is complete when they merge with and become part of their creation. Perhaps you had a vision of your Over Soul, the part of you that is a Game Master yourself; you as a human, a fragment in the hologram of your Creation, playing the Game with blinders on. Perhaps your blinders came off for a moment. Perhaps you are the God you encountered.



*from the books of Barbara Marciniak

Perhaps indeed. I did mention that creation was a division of God. And that we are all one in the heart of God. Similar concept. Only difference is I saw in my vision ALL OF CREATION beginning to end, not just a measly universe. Is God not the ultimate Game Master? I think we are talking about the same thing only with a different personal outlook.

@ 112233, Poetic man. I'm a bit shy to post my input now.

But shyness can't stop me. xD

Ofcourse, i believe in these demons and angels and all this god thing. I never thought of myself as gullible though, just trying to understand my own experiences. I have some comments on some of the things said so here goes,



This is an assumption.

Judging from all the suffering and hate in the world. You'd have to be a true prophet to say everything is perfect. Who knows? It certainly doesn't look perfect. Maybe everything did spiral out of control and god doesn't have the power to reverse the damage done.

Although apparently god does know that love will win in the end.

It is my understanding that demons.. True demons.. They hate creation.
They have played the game. And gotten sick of it. So they are out to destroy all of it.
It is in their favor to make people suffer. For if more people suffer. More people will start to despise creation and join their effort to destroy.

What would happen if they find out God is sorry?
Eventually they will forgive.. and maybe understand the loneliness of such a creature and join the effort to love. Perhaps true love is felt when one returns to god. Maybe god is somewhere.. harvesting souls.

He might not be almighy. But perhaps he knows that every soul returned to him feels love. That might be how he knows love will win in the end?



Perhaps loneliness is not a human trait at all. I would suggest that emotions in it's most pure form is our connection to god itself. Atleast, i have been contemplating on this notion.



This experience seems to come back again and again. I think it lends weight to the validity of such a claim. Why else does this experience of god creating itself so as to know itself keep coming back to people?

EDIT: I say all this because i believe the effort in overcoming "demons" is to show them love. Because like crystalkid, i would concur; "Nothing is purely evil" . Nobody in their right mind would prefer hatred over love.

I believe I stated several times that my posts are my opinion, not absolute truth. Assumptions are a form of opinion, and you are right.

But consider my stance of perfection not as prophecy at all, but an expanding multi dimensional perspective. And so: Suffering. An obvious sign of a demonic influence and god losing control of his creation? That's a view point reached when only seeing things from our human, third dimensional point of view, from behind the Veil, as it were. Now, extend your vision beyond this blinding veil for a moment.

An illustration on Suffering: that poor, starving child in India, begging for every meal, riddled with disease. He has been beaten, robbed, raped, mutilated. Now he is an adult, his legs have been cut off; he propels himself on a skateboard, still begging for every meal, still suffering pain every day of his life.

An obvious case that "everything is not perfect", correct? Let's pull the curtain back a little, however........

In a prior existence this soul who would become the suffering Indian child was a king. Every perverse wish was his command. He looted and murdered entire nations. His regime tortured millions. He burned people alive, drank human blood for pleasure. Etc.

So, once this king dies, and is ushered to the other side, he sees the life he lived, the pain he's caused. He endeavors to make things right, to tip the scales of polarity and achieve that most coveted prize: Balance. He chooses to return in a series of lives in which he experiences all the harm he has caused. And along the way he learns many truths, the hard way, perhaps, but things become easier with each life. And his so-called suffering not only affects his growth and souls' evolution, he affects everyone he encounters. Eventually, the Balance is attained and he gets to climb the dimensional ladder and is able to participate in a higher octave of expression and creation. Or perhaps, as all life is an experiment and not all succeed, perhaps his soul no longer has the potential to grow and his essence is simply recycled to the Source.

Obviously, this is my fictional narrative, and it is the karmic point of view. But it is also just one tiny example right off the top of my head for the possible reasons behind Suffering. The true picture, I am pretty darnn sure, is much more complex, yet elegant: an exquisitly orchestrated ballet, where we all play all the roles, saint and sinner, beggar and king; eventually returning to the Source, for a time, before shooting off on another adventure.

Interesting thread, i hold these topics very dear to my heart. It sure would be nice to be able to download all of HF's experiences so we could see how he came to his decisions . One thing is for certain though, i wouldn't disregard him, he speaks from wisdom and not fear.


Chaos order, life and death, two levels of dualities. Now that is something that makes a lot of sense to me. I really must echo his warning as my own experiences with chaos may have been particularly illuminating realize that if someone had a weaker psyche and saw what i saw their experience would have destroyed their mind. I almost went crazy myself.

I feel a bit silly to ask....but how do you tell the difference between chaos and death? What are their similarities? If lucifer is really on our side what about those under him?

Very interesting discussion although after reading some of HFs descriptions I think it would be hard to avoid a certain amount of healthy fear. After trying ayahuasca I became very interested in non-dual systems, and read a lot of writing by yoga swamis such as Yogananda, Saraswati, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Rama and his disciple who has a nice website.

HF, you seem to have eventually disregarded non-duality as you mentioned in one of the other threads reading inter dimensional parasites. In its steed reality seems to have become something much darker and less 'welcoming', although this may be the truth as you see it now do you think you would have been better off not entering this state of knowledge? Ignorance is bliss I guess. Right now I feel no draw whatsoever to do ayahuasca, shrooms or dmt as I have too much spiritual stuff to work through in real life (Currently my main practice is tai chi) but it does seem that hyperspace is becoming a darker place these days and I certainly wouldn't fancy coming across anything particularly nasty although I think I've already got a few hitchhikers that I am trying to deal with. Are you basically foraging your own path now, in what teachings do you look for guidance or do you just rely on spirits?

Cool. I am sure I will enjoy your novel when/if you get it out and hone it to a fine piece of fiction. I know how difficult it is to write fiction. Most people in our society simply do not have the time to master the craft. (There are both art and craft sides to writing IMHO, and even great, inspired art can collapse without a solid foundation of the craft.)

Anyway, I am not against questioning. All for it. I despise dogma, actually. I know it doesn't sound that way when your only exposure to me, is me popping onto a thread and sounding like the voice of doom warning young psychonauts about evil demonic parasites.

But, it is what it is. You don't have to know all there is to know about the life cycle of dengue fever to know that you don't want it... and to be able to warn people about how best not to get it. The same goes for giardia, liver flukes, penis fish, anaconda, and a ton of other nasty stuff.

I can be open to the possibility of nice cuddly polar bears while still warning people that they are known to hunt and eat humans.

It is good to have an open mind... just not so open that your brain falls out.

Somethings are just dangerous, and it is best to not kid yourself about this. Young people always feel invulnerable. "It will never happen to me." "Those people must have been doing something wrong." etc. etc. But the fact is, the world is a dangerous place. It can chew you up and spit you out. Until you have been soul raped by hordes of vermin, kidnapped and held hostage for half an eternity of torture by malevolent sadists... and had gibbering mindless psuedopods lay eggs in your body... you can get away with cozying up to dark entities and pushing your luck.

The rough part is that you don't know your blind spots until it is too late. Most people forget far more of their experiences beyond the veil than they can conceive of... at least until they are back in Hyperspace. And you can be hosting parasites for a very long time before you even realize that they are there... manipulating you like toxoplasma gondii manipulates rats into feeding themselves to the nearest cat.

@ Redguard

As you would expect, it is far more nuanced and complex than our sad little semantics can cope with. We are not really able to speak about any of this stuff in any kind of surety or authority, even when we know quite a lot about it... because language lets us down.

As for the various spectra of chaos vs. order, life vs. death, good vs. evil, light vs. dark etc. etc. they obviously overlap and also produce conundrums. Dungeons & Dragons coined to this stuff early on by classifying "monsters" as Lawful Evil or Chaotic Evil. Chaotic Neutral or even Pure Chaos. This is far too simplistic as well, but it is at least a bit closer to the truth than the straight good vs. evil motif.

In D&D, Devils were Lawful Evil and Demons were Chaotic Evil... I think there is something to that in practice. This is why you can make deals with devils.

To answer your question (as best I can), I would say that Chaos and Death are not opposite or especially incompatible. Death is fairly order-ly though in practice... stasis being the maximum entropy. But in the upper reaches of the dimensions, these things are not so simple. In the end, our classifications are meaningless. You have to let them go and try to be more aware of the actual circumstances you are presented with. Putting labels on things gives us a false sense of understanding, and thus it keeps us from bringing our full awareness to bear.

I find a lot of value in non-dual philosophies and practices. They are, in many ways, some of the most advanced systems of thought we have developed IMO.

However, I think that people who are learning these systems are prone to make some key mistakes in the way they approach their experiences and how they conceive of what is happening when they journey out of body or traverse hyperspace. I am sure that Paramahansa Yogananda and Rama are not at risk of being overwhelmed by dark entities. I am myself able to deal with the vast majority of them, and am not filled with fear about this stuff. If you stay on the path of righteousness, live good, and do good... you will be fine for the most part. Light beings will come to your aid, and if you are a high level (and holy) non-dualist... you will be light enough to dispel darkness.

The problem is that many philosophies lead people to assume rather passive and all-accepting stances. This works fine for dealing with ego, and subconscious projections... like the headtrips you might have on LSD (given there are no really nasty guys about). But with so many people breaking through into Hyperspace, this attitude is not nearly effective enough to protect the average person. There is little I can say to help the people who are actively doing ill in the world, or embrace darkness and evil. They will get their comeuppance eventually. My comments tend to be aimed at the "normal" person who is not as good as they could be... the average human who has negative thoughts and whose conscience isn't exactly clear.

There is a large portion of the psychonaut community who, based on knee jerk reactions to being turned off by religion, or based on attraction to some form of Eastern thought, or based on a basic reductionist materialistic worldview... all are not diligent enough about being firmly on the side of light and life. They are therefore in more danger than they realize and are often victimized. The truly terrible part of all this, is that they often do not realize that they have been made into a host. These beings can cause you to forget your experiences with them, and can manipulate you in ways that you find yourself attracted to things that will only strengthen the parasite and make you weaker.

I don't want to cause panic or turn people away from Hyperspace. I just want to make it clear that a psychonaut needs to be impeccable. You are held to a higher standard than a normal human. Your mistakes are just as amplified as your victories. If you slip up morally, it can have grave consequences for you. The higher your vibration, the more instant your karma. So be careful. Spice is dangerous for the morally ambiguous psychonaut. I am not talking about societal morality... or even religious morality. But you know when you are acting in a way that doesn't support love and light.

I consider this to be beyond non-dualism, beyond dualism, and beyond the dialectic even. It is a recognition that a human being can not truly be on any side but that of life. You can be used by the anti-life beings, but they will eventually destroy you. There is only one game in town. You have to support the Universe. A blood cell can not be neutral. It must be on guard against pathogens, and call on white blood cells when it finds them. Period. To do otherwise is to invite disaster and disease.

My 2c.

I do Tai Chi as well BTW. A good many forms of Kung Fu and Chi Kung actually, and even some Yoga. Tantra is also valuable to me. But yeah, I find that my path is my own. I have learned from a ton of sources... basically everything I could find. At this point, though, I feel like the roads are all uncharted and I am more interested in learning from individual masters and entities than from any one school of thought. Lucid Dreaming may well be my most valuable tool.

i feel the ego is the primary unknown disintegrating host we have all created from past experiences and fears and are unaware of. that entity which is one thing but wants to be another; pits me and mine against you and yours, is tribal, national, disintegrating, seperating and so on. you don't even need to go to hyper space to be messed up by it/ourselves.

I am glad of this. What with your continual warnings of demonic presences i was actually starting to worry about you. I think you wear your heart on your sleeve, and i like that (even if i have differing opinions). If i had been doing major tripping almost non stop for 35 years i would be away with the fairies, and i don"t doubt that i will get hyperslapped, sooner or later.

I am sorry to keep the thread going on about evil aliens as i don"t want to instill more fear as it appears to me that these entities are the Al Quaeda of the hyperspace world. But if they are eternal, powerful, super intelligent beings, don"t they get a bit bored of being evil all the time? If they are that bad and chaotic then they probably don"t have a lot of friends. The only friends that they do have are other chaotic types and, due to the nature of chaos and evil, they will fall out with each other. In an eternity of existence, you would eventually work out that being nice to people every now and then can be beneficial. If they don"t have the brains or imagination to have doubts about their nefarious activities then i am sorry but i think that they must be pretty one dimensional in character and perhaps in need of a life skills coach. If anything i feel a little sorry for them.



Who decides who is pure and who isn"t? Or does each individual just know, deep down, how pure they really are?

It just doesn"t make sense to me that these entities feed on us. Why are they eating? Are they always hungry? Being hungry all the time must be torture. Like that man who had to roll the rock up the hill, and just before he got to the top it rolls back down and he has to start all over again for eternity.
Perhaps it"s not God that is lonely but maybe the evil entities are. These guys need our love and understanding. Love and understanding can go a long way to solving many ills, and you don"t have to be perfect or pure to put them into practice.



I understand this but does that mean that if you are a decidedly average you keep coming back in some endless loop of mediocrity. Or are the scales that measure what is good and bad within a person never in balance?

I am currently leaning to the "we are all one and therefore a part of god" theory. If this is correct then we have played our part in creating these entities.



Nuff said!

Heh heh, this was an extreme example sprinkled with a bit of literary pixie dust. Dolores Cannon, renowned past-life hypnotherapist, and author of many fascinating books (see The Covoluted Universe four book series to have your mind blown), says the vast majority of the thousands upon thousands of past life regressions she's conducted have been of boring, mundane lives. But there are nuggets of gold in the seeming ordinary, potato farmer life. But just take a look around you: most people are living pretty mundane lives (I know mine would certainly seem mundane to an observer). And most moments of our lives would be considered uninteresting . It does seem that many are trapped in an "endless loop of mediocrity" (I like your wording). But that's the whole idea behind the idea of karma, in the Buddhist tradition, among others: the Wheel of Life, being trapped here, repeating the same mistakes over and over.

Balance is possible, I have to believe. I strive for it, and almost get to the top of the mountain, but then something distracts me, and I take a turn, and gets stuck for a time in the labyrinthian maze of possibilities, then remember the top of the mountain, begin climbing again.......oh, hey, what's that shiny thing off the Path? Let's go check it out.....

The work of Dr. Ian Stevenson has come to my attention lately, reincarnation being localized and non karma based. I find this very interesting, especially with hyperspace fools local consciousness expansion experience and musings. The loop of mediocrity ends with union of ego/self/collective.

@ infectedstyle

I think we all realize that such concepts as perfection, evil, loneliness and whatnot are human conceptions. As such, they are limited and relativistic... while being simultaneously idealized and oversimplified. To paint non-human intelligences with these broad strokes is not to get an accurate picture, but more of an abstract impression. If the truth were a super high def surround sound film, than our notions wouldn't even be a Van Gogh abstraction... they would be more like a crayon drawing of a black box in a white circle with the title "Evil" scrawled below.

I think that with the vast infinity of places, and the exponentially vaster infinity of entities... you will find all sorts if you poke around. There are certainly hungry and lonely seeming demons. It is also easy to pity them. They are indeed a sad lot. (also touching on 112233 & hug46's point)

But I think it is at least somewhat foolhardy to allow your sympathy to put you in harm's way. I once was hitchhiking in an 18 wheeler down in Chiapas when we ran over a deadly poison snake. The driver stopped and we got out to look at the beast. 7' long maybe and clearly the kind of snake that could end you in minutes. The driver wouldn't go within 30 ft of the thing, and warned me that they can jump at you. But the things was so obviously in pain. Squirming there on the hot Mexican roadside. So, being young and stupid, I told the thing to calm down, and that I would help him. I picked up a large rock, and slowly approached the thing. He calmed and seemed to be happy to have me put him out of his misery... though he could have been eyeing me to strike and take me out with him in spite. I did manage to get close enough to him to throw this boulder on his head, so it seemed the right thing to do... and in fact, this kind of juvenile sympathy led me to do similar foolish acts of kindness for a number of dangerous beasts in those years. (physical and non-physical)

It would seem my example is contradicting my general advice, but the truth is that after getting away with my weak philosophy for a good amount of time, I was confronted, dramatically, with the absolute pointless stupidity of my actions. Not only was I inviting disaster, but I was doing it for human egoic reasons. Projecting human emotions and values onto beings that are very inhuman is the worst kind of anthropomorphism.

I suppose I will just say that if you don't have some wise and powerful light beings guiding and aiding you... you are better off keeping your petty human sympathies to yourself. They are a weakness that can (and often is) used against you. Scruples are not something that demons or parasites are big on.

Like I said above to IS, there are a vast and staggeringly large array of different lifeforms in the cosmos. It would be a mistake to oversimplify them, or think that by labeling them we understand them or can predict how they think or will act. Think of all the species of life on Earth, and then raise that to the Nth power.. where N is basically infinite.

Boredom is very human. You don't see many other species that engage in it. Certainly not fungal infections or aggressive viruses.

Besides, who's to say they are eternal? Who's to say that they have friends? The chaotic demon hordes I have seen tend to be worse than dog eat dog, and little pip squeak demons get eaten up by the bigger ones all the time.

Most parasites seem pretty one dimensional to the people they prey on. Even your basic woodland ticks, or the Lyme's disease they can carry, seem that way. Why would cosmic parasites be any different?

As for feeling sorry for them... see my comment above to IS.


I would say that it your call to feel what that means to you. The word is just an abstraction. Most people know when they are doing their best... and also when they are f-ing up big time. Generally, be as good and righteous as you know how... and then you will find that even that is kind of dirty and shameful in light of new knowledge about who you really are. It is a constant wiping of the mirror until you transcend it.

When in doubt, ask the angelic guides and spirits.


Who knows why they are hungry? We don't see them all the time... only when they are hungry, so perhaps our view is skewed. A chicken might ask why humans are always hungry for their eggs and their flesh... of course, chicken rarely meet vegans.

I do feel that there are ravenous, all consuming, malevolent entities that might as well be like black holes. I don't think it prudent for us to project human emotions on them though. Better to just stay out of their event horizon.

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As for the "we are all one and therefore a part of god" theory, I think that is a basic level, psychonaut 101 truth. It generally only takes a couple acid trips before people grok this. I suppose the direct "godhead" experience would be a bit farther along... maybe psychonaut 202? Followed of course by the experience of godhead as Self... I'm gonna call that Advanced Psychonautics 1a.

The problem with this stuff, is that it makes no difference, practically speaking. Sure, we are all one and all part of the omni mind that has created and maintains all reality in its dreamtime hyperwebs of consciousness and light... but as long as you are still approaching this from the personal perspective of the little i, and can not maintain the big I consciousness indefinitely, you still have to act and make decisions from your limited POV. I am not saying these cosmic revelations are worthless... the contrary, actually... they are immensely valuable and paradigm shifting experiences that place everything in a new context for you if you can be strong enough to hold onto the knowing they impart.

Still, a cell in the human body... even if it fully groks that it is "one" with the human, had better watch out for other cells that might be intent on destroying it. A healthy cell may be "one" with a cancerous cell, but it would be a mistake to cozy up to any of them.

Interesting posts, Hyperspace Fool. How quickly in your travels did you begin encountering these demons? I ask because I have not, though my experience with dmt is much less extensive than yours, and honestly, I have no desire to encounter them. Do you feel you somehow requested their presence, or do you believe it's inevitable that most will encounter them at some point?

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@ upload

I became aware of them after a number of years of entheogen use, and didn't really accept what I was finding out until a couple more years. It is hard to say this with any certainty because much of our experiences in journeying are not easily recalled afterwards... and entities can mess with your memory of them.

I suppose I can say that my awareness of them while tripping was synchronous with my awareness of them while sober... though they are much more obvious in the former state, and in the later it is easy to pass them off as mental or perceptual abberations

@ 2JupitersTooMany

I have a number of threads dealing with this stuff. Maybe I will finally go through my various posts and make some sort of compendium or directory. Heheheh. It would certainly save me from having to repeat myself so often.

Anyway, I will pop over to your intro later and answer you there.


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will i be ok if i pack magic potions, hammer of thor and invisibility cape, prior to launching?