DMT is a drug.
I've certainly had fun on it.
I'll even go out on a limb and say that ecstatic states are capital F-U-N FUN. That's why they're termed "ecstatic."


How can you use a drug in a non-drug way? Seems to me like you've got some negative associations with the word "drug". From my perspective, it feels like you are adding your own baggage to a completely neutral term.


Actually, there were snuffs and some people hypothesize even crude smokeable extracts existed...


It's a drug...whether or not there's ritual doesn't change that. There are productive and unproductive ways of engaging with drugs. What works for one person, may not work for another.


This semi-common line of reasoning is one of the least-factual explanations of prohibitionist policies that I've seen/heard perpetuated. Please do some research as to the socioeconomic conditions responsible for prohibition.

DMT is in your brain anyways so Iam not sure about the drug term on chemical sense. Thats why I said the usage of it makes it a drug. You dont take something like ayahuasca for fun... you cannot tell me that.



there are some because these "drugs" can be devastating for people. Heroin, Crack and Crystal meth, tell me the positive aspects of it.



im not sure about that.



I try that sometime

Last week I drank Aya with a good friend of mine, I got dragged round a psychedelic fun house funfair, became a wizard on a hill and blazed a trail across the desert on horseback.

It was about as much fun as I've ever had.

Seems like you have some hang ups about enjoying these drugs vineseeker, I would say DMT and Aya are both fun, sometimes its type 2 fun, but fun non the less. Some times it can be unpleasant but that doesn't mean its not fun as hell most of the time, at least it is for me.

I have taken ayahuasca for fun before ,and had a fun experience, given I didn't drink a heroic dose. Intention can vary and so can experiences.

However what gets me isn't that people have fun but that people appear disrespectful of the power of the experience.
If you climbed Everest you wouldn't appreciate someone running around saying its easy when they haven't even been to the peak themselves.

Some of the festival culture appears to glorify an experience that has only been had by few, experiences they little understand.

/me pulls out his beating stick and prepares to have a go at the Equus ferus caballus corpse.

For a long long time DMT was something secret, known only to those heads deeply entrenched in the underground, something talked about in hushed tones, shared and experienced in private. While the whole world was touting the glories and horrors of LSD from the rooftops, the molecule sat quietly in the background waiting for the time when the collective consciousness was ready to recognize the implications it inherently carries.

Within the last decade things have shifted immensely in every possible realm. I would argue that the reason DMT has come to the forefront is that our globally connected technologically advanced collective consciousness is finally ready to accept, or at least endure, the consequences of merging with the hyper-realms.

Like it or not DMT is out there, people know about it, word of mouth spreads like wildfire and people are interested. How could one not be interested in this strange would-be neurotransmitter, ever-present within the biosphere, that shows it's user an entirely different multiverse orders of magnitude more complex and bizarre than our feeble human imaginations can possibly comprehend?

Outright, this community right here, this site, is responsible for putting DMT into the hands of the masses. That "cook" fellow Merlin was most assuredly (poorly) following a tek he got right here from our little Nexus. Our position in this is both a blessing and a curse, out of it we have gathered the greatest minds in the world, set the standard for responsible psychonauting, and moved entheogenic research forward on an unprecedented scale; on the reverse side of that we have given all the youtube teenagers and profit driven drug dealers the "recipe" without demanding anything more than the ability to read the wiki. Such is the light that it would not exist without a shadow.

Now that this molecule is running rampant both in our imaginations and on our streets, the only sensible thing to do is what any sane person would have called for all along, practice harm reduction. This is where you (yes you!) come in, as an educated and responsible psychonaut, which I would like to believe all our dedicated members strive to be; it is your job to find that guy selling "deems", to respectfully step into that parking lot session and drop the education, explain about the responsibilities and implications of these people's actions, let them know that a gift this special should not be commodified. Be kind, be respectful, be honest and clear. Will it work? Will it make a difference? Probably not, but maybe so; the important part is that you made the effort, that you attempted to plant a seed of common sense in a world experiencing a severe drought of said. If enough people call out this type of unethical behavior, maybe, just maybe the message will get across.

I think a lot of us need to step down off our high horses and stop idealizing how things "should be". They are as they are, we can only but strive with integrity and patience to spread the knowledge as quickly as the drug. And with that I'll end my long-winded rant, thanks for taking the time.

In love and gratitude <3

Amen, dreamer.

All this "oh noe, our little secret is no secret anymore" does not help. All our collective energy and efforts are needed to advance psychonautics, to defend it and to respect it. What YOU do matters. What others do who are not really connected with this community does too, but you can't change them, so don't waste your time.

It's always more fruitful to develop a following and build something instead of fighting a war alone.

"DMT in the real form( sacred not DRUG form) is not FUN and you would never use it for entertainment.
People who are educated can still use the Pure DMT in a non-drug way but the fact remains that people will use it as a drug now and in future.
Before the teks and stuff there was only one way to do dmt and that was ayahuasca or analog which cannot be used in a drug way. Too unpleasant.
Since it can be smoked (and is promoted by some people thinking they can do something good promoting) many people just take it for fun or entertainment, which is ok but pretty much drug use also because there is no ritual or anything else involved which could fuel some learning etc. Its also funny most DMT Docs and movies.... always forget to tell you about the negative side of DMT that can happen.. Almost like with lsd where almost noone tells about the "bad trips". This happens much more frequently with dmt, but not many want to talk about that."

I think you might have some misconceptions about DMT and tryptamine use in the traditional Amazonian context. There is not one single way it is used in the amazon. Firstly, the oldest and most ancient method is not ayahuasca. Virola snuffs dominant in both DMT and 5meoDMT have been snorted and occasionally smoked for longer than ayahuasca has been drunk based on what we know. The oldest use of tryptamines known is smoked preperations of anadenanthera trees..seeds and bark extracts etc. Sometimes containing bufotenine, sometimes 5meoDMT..maybe DMT in barks, maybe DMT in trace ammounts in seeds..

There is also a heavy traditional context of recreation use of these tryptamine plants in the amazon. There are tribes whos'S men are all considered to be shamans and they walk around snorting 5meoDMT/DMT mixes all day long, every day. There are tribes who drink ayahuasca in what could be called "tribal parties" and get drunk on alcohol at the same time. If you were to suggest to them that this was not sacred, I think they would be offended. Your idea of Amazonian tryptamine use seems to be partly naïve and based on some idea of a nobel savage living off in the forest. Please don't misrepresent the anthropological history of tryptamine use in south America. The amazon is a diverse group of peoples and you will find many different uses of these plants there. We have a problem in our culture where we can't see recreational celebration or "partying" as spiritual or scared etc. That is our dogma, not necessarily the dogma of other peoples.

Some of these traditional "shamans" really are looking for the best way to extract and consume DMT IMO. There are tribes who boil down filtered chacruna tea into a concentrated dry paste with ashes so they can snuff it. This to me just looks like a crude plant extraction seeking to maximize the potency of the tryptamines with the best methods available.

I know of people who have simply given pure freebase DMT to these jungle ayahuasqeros and they love the stuff and wanted more.

I have also known of people who like to drink ayahuasca and go to the bar or club and party. Your idea that you cant use it in a "drug way" is not really valid.

The etymology of the term "drug" btw refers to the context of a dried medicinal plant. Ayahuasca is more true to the classical context of the term than pure DMT is.

"This also makes it in turn so easy to put a stigma on it again. Society cannot handle it so it is made illegal. Since this is already illegal you know they will try make other things illegal too Rolling eyes"

Psychedelics were not made illegal simply because society could not handle them. The CIA was involved in flooding the whole underground with LSD for years, even after it was made illegal. They had been doing extensive research with LSD, DMT, mescaline, psilocybin and other psychedelics people had not heard of at the time, in conjuction with weird psi-ops programs and mind control experiments they had going. They knew very well the actual "dangers" that these things could pose.

They made these things illegal, sure..but it sure as hell was not out of fear for us or our health. That was just media hype that too many naïve people bought into and still do.

The irony is that workable extraction teks from locally available plants in the northern hemisphere, is going to make pure smokable DMT the one that requires the most dedication and work, and possible the most rare only available to those who are willing to put in the effort. The whole process will be much more like some kind of alchemy, and will also bring us closer to the plants themselves.

Many people are not even willing to learn to extract from mimosa. I know this from experience with lazy people. Far less people are going to want to do more complex alkaloid isolations from something like wild phalaris arundinacea or spend the time growing aquatica or acacias. When mimosa really is gone from the market, which I foresee, we will see the end of this trend in it's current form.

dreamer I have to re think now. Maybe I am stuck in a pattern somehow.

thanks

It's already quite difficult to find.

Edit: And Dream, if you try to educate that person, he's just going to say "it's a drug just like LSD, so what's the difference?".

What do you say to them?

The difference (for either of them) is the way in which you use it. It's a frame of mind, but it also has to do in part with people's dose-responses to either drug. The thing with LSD is that it can be quite visionary and spiritual in its own right, but most people in a recreational setting tend to take smaller amounts, and thus they won't tend to realize LSD's potential. In a similar yet different conundrum, most people who will smoke DMT will probably smoke a "big enough" dose to send you to the moon and back a couple times, but due to DMT's mercurial nature, having "enough" is not always sufficient. Crude smoking methods will destroy much of the DMT, and thus for many "at the parking lot" DMT's full potential won't be realized either. I've always thought that one could have a lifetime's supply of DMT, and yet if you didn't know how to do it right, you wouldn't think it could do much at all when the reality is that even 10-20mg vaporized properly would be enough to shake most people out of their boots.

I don't know what a good "all-round" answer for everybody to hand out to these people would be, but I know if I encountered them personally, I would start explaining why it's so important to me: not why it's so important to a friend, or someone I heard on the internet, but why it's so important to me. It has easily led to the most spiritually significant experiences of my life. I think it should also be noted that for some of these "parking lot people", some may realize that the "parking lot" is not the most ideal place for it either, but it's obviously rare (thankfully) on the market, and perhaps may not even realize that it can be extracted or this and that, and so some extraction education would be in order as well. Obviously not true for all cases, but people will take it more seriously and will probably end up educating themselves (often the most efficient kind of learning) more if they go through the effort of getting all the materials, learning the teks, and doing the extractions for themselves. I would point out to our "parking lot friends" that the more they put in, the more they can get out. When it's done in solitude, and all the attention is directed towards the experience and not the party atmosphere around you, that it can end up bringing you a hell of a lot more in satisfaction than a party or live show could ever do. The more seriously "you" take it, the more seriously the "guys on the other end of the line" in hyperspace will take you...and yes, there are others just waiting to catch your attention, and they reward unconditional attention.

ever since i watched the docu on netflix i have seen references everywhere.

In the tv show wilfred, they drink Ayahuasca.

In Gta 5, im pretty sure michaels son gives him Ayahuasca

of course in them movie enter the void.

however, in real life, I have only ever met one person who even knew what dmt was....correction, I met one guy who wanted to do it, and he introduced me to an indian girl who sold it. the price was outrageous, and SWIM wants to take the DIY route anyways.

Ohhhh.... Maybe it's the same, and since I now know about it I'm just noticing the references and other people talking/doing it.

Because before it found me, I NEVER heard about it. They didn't even teach us about it in school.

I don't remember my school offering Entheogens 101 either. Strange.

LOL HAHAH!!!
No, I meant, they didn't cram crap down our throats how bad it is for you.

Like they do with EVERYTHING else. Like all the other psychedelics that physically eat holes in your brain?
Health class and PE foundations I think... Both went over drug use. And I took health twice (once in middle school and highschool) and PE foundations instead of athletics

i would say still 1/100 people actually know what this is. hell even if you were stopped by the police, I think only the DEA would know what it was. the local PD would prob have to ship it to the DEA just to find out. I mean look at the News reports for lab busts. its unreal how much misinformation there was. so its completely reasonable that anti-drug groups haven't attacked it yet. and even if they did, the only ill effects this thing has is the possibility of the most terrifying 10 minutes of your life.

and an interesting side note, i once saw a cop being interviewed about the dangers of dmt, and he couldn't come up with ONE, the only thing he said is that its illegal because they don't want people to drive on it. if this was the case, anyone caught with alcohol should be labeled a terrorist.

Yes! I've always wanted to know if local police would know what it is!

I figured they'd have to test it! I mean, the plastic like/mothball smell would probably make them curious... Right?

I wonder if they searched you and found it, if they'd let you go but confiscate your container to test it.

they would prob think it was meth, then they would test it and it would be negative. then te idiots would prob let you go.