Sad part is it started out as something of good intent,like how it was used for therapy and such hell knows what went wrong but im geussing its the same way as with LSD got out of the give territory and into the gain

Thanks for putting in better words the complex these abusers Have SKA it is how the cookie crumbles,they tend to even taint my psychadelic experiences at these gatherings when they want to vent that social chemical surge of theirs so them too i avoid just like the drug itself in favor of keeping the little shreds of my faith in humanity

had a few nice times with the rare bunch mentioned though but noticed the day after they would have little to none of the vigor they had while the fuel was there and not that "nice" either,kind of like ok so what value was there in anything you said or did right now as anything else then something that just felt good to do at that moment,nothing major nothing life enhancing really

Oh well

i can only imagine,the way those things overdrive the glands will have them cooked probsbly why 1 becomes 2 to 3 going on 10 etc etc a night as use progresses

Agreed, the saying "a bad worker blames their tools" comes to mind.

Absolutely MDA and MDMA dries up your seratonin when used more than occasionally. Taking 5-htp before and after using molly is very important to re build your seratonin levels.

At BurningMan I certainly over indulged as did everyone and when we got home I was quite depressed and gray feeling the following week along with very odd dreams that I couldn't wake up from even though I was no longer asleep. I wont ever use MDMA that frequently again. Its not healthy and its disrespectful to my body to treat it like that.

That is mostly true, but in the case of MDMA not completely. I have seen Psychedelics like
LSD also being abused, by the same people that abuse MDMA, Cocaine & Speed.

But I must say that abuse of LSD is quite rare, whereas MDMA abuse is common.
MDMA is just a better Candidate for a drug of abuse. It's a mentally simple high;
No deep philosophical thoughts, no bombardment with visual information, no likelyhood
of encountering Traumatised & dark corners of one's Psyche......

It's the perfect hedonistic escapism for these depressed & wreckless abusers; It's exactly
what they're looking for. The same cannot be said about LSD. LSD absolutely has the POTENTIAL
to be very blissfull & euphoric, but the bottomline is an expansion of consciousness of the world around you and the world inside of you. You can't abuse LSD for too long, because it would psychologically rape you sooner or later, putting you in a hellish trip where your abuse becomes painfully obvious to you. That would be counterproductive to the end of Hedonistic escapism.

Those that abuse LSD(as far as I've met them) are always abusing MDMA, Cocaine & Speed too.
And often also Ketamine, GHB & any other drug they can get their hands on.
Their abuse of LSD( or other Psychedelics like Shrooms and DMT) seems to be only incidental:
When they've used up all their cocaine, MDMA or speed, they'll continue their abusive binge on LSD or DMT if that happens to be available. But Psychedelic drugs are CERTAINLY not the abuser's first drug of choice.


So MDMA(and fellow Amphetamines) has just got alot more potential for abuse than LSD (And fellow psychedelic Tryptamines). That's why I wouldn't recommend recreational use of MDMA.
MDMA can be very usefull & safe in clinical, therapeutical settings, but in the world of recreational use it quickly turns to shameless abuse. I really can't say the same about LSD:
Sure alot of ignorant, unprepared people tried LSD, but there just aren't hardcore groups of LSD abusers as far as I know. MDMA spawns circles of abuse. Massive circles of abuse. LSD and other Psychedelics just don't have that effect on people.

I think that is the point i am trying to make. It"s the person, not the substance.

I totally understand where you are coming from but i would say it depends on how you define abuse. I would call abuse - over indulgence. To the extent where you are self harming or just plain not enjoying the experience. Perhaps self medicating could be considered abuse, which sounds like a contradiction in terms.
It is a complex issue but i don"t blame the drug and i dont even blame the person abusing/over indulging/self medicating. I think the real problem lies in why someone would want to get messed up beyond comprehension. However if a person genuinely enjoys these mashed effects i don"t see a problem. Some folk do, and it takes all sorts to make a world. Someone who isn"t into psychelics may read some trip reports here and decide that we are abusing drugs. Different people enjoy different approaches and i know plenty of intelligent, spiritually aware people who like to get f"cked up.
It is a learning process where you develop relationships with these substances.

I would definitely recommend recreational use of MDMA because it can be great!! I have had some wonderful (very recreational) experiences after taking MDMA that will stay with me to the day i die and i have met some lifelong friends through this sometimes hedonistic approach. I think a clinical, therapeutic setting wouldn"t work for me. Unless you consider being hammered by a kick drum while in front a very large bassbin with a crowd of like minded people to be clinical conditions. Dancing like a mofo while your consciousness is altered can be a very therapeutic necessity after a week at work.

Heroin and crack are the perfect escapism drugs for wreckless and depressed users, rather than MDMA. Although i agree with Olympus Mon, you pay for such hedonism in the following days.

Maybe i am a wreckless, depressed abuser and i am just trying to put a case for my fellow abusees.

The problem with MDMA (and this is why I struggled with it A LOT) is that it is really hard to imagine that anything that makes you feel like THAT could ever be bad for you.

I've tried cocaine and opiates and the like, and while they make you feel good: euphoric and happy, I could understand how they might be seductive and bad. It was a real, but hollow joy.

Ecstasy, however feels totally different, at least to me. When you're on it, you're alert, aware, engaged with everyone and everything. Life is beautiful and you know that 'everything is going to be ok.' On cocaine and Fentanyl, I was just wrapped up in how good I felt, but on MDMA the entire world was good.

I vividly remember being told "that shit is a neuro-toxin, be careful,' and thinking, "yeah yeah, science for anti-drug crusaders. This stuff is medicine, it's like a religion," and I knew in my heart-of-hearts that I would be fine because the MDMA molecule quiet obviously loved me more then anything else ever had, ever.

Of course, with time and rolls, the depression got worse and worse, to the point that two weeks of suicidal hell wasn't worth five hours of love, and I had no choice but to stop, but honestly, I still really want to do it again.

My two cents on MDMA and why I think it is one of the most wonderful and dangerous drugs around.