Good counterpoints, I agree. Sounds ungod-like "to our mortal minds" at least, I also agree, but these things do occur in nature, don't they? Natural Selection (in a general sense), seems pretty real to me. So if those are real quotes, i pat you on the back. But I do not know the big picture plan, of coarse.

Did you at least try to make that connection though?

OH GREAT! Soon you'll be able to implement the eugenics agenda of Urantia.

“The difficulty of executing such a radical program on Urantia consists in the absence of competent judges to pass upon the biologic fitness or unfitness of the individuals of your world races."

Once you become a biologist bro, you can then be a competent judge to pass upon biologic fitness to individuals thru bio-engineering and genetic modification which is already in world wide practice across the field of corporate fueled biology!

I'm not implementing anything my man. I am also not preaching anything. I was reading and came across something I found compelling. Simple enough. I'm a good person just sharing an idea.

I don't get it? What's your point? Where was I questioning natural selection?

Those are real quotes from Urantia...this book was exposed a long time ago for it's plagiarism as well as the racial undertones and eugenics agenda.

What do you mean by "it sounds ungod-like "to our mortal minds"" Are you trying to say that we just can't understand the "alien hierachy" authors of Urantia b/c we are mortal?

Not sure what you're talking about with the big picture plan, I suggest you start steering away from these kind of spiritual manifestos with acclaimed "alien hierarchy" authors.

That biology implementing post wasn't for you mike. It was for 'ntwhtyouknw'. I haven't said once in this post that you are a bad person, I'm saying that this book is bad!

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Fair enough

It's all love mike, no worries. I suggest you read Leo Tolstoy's "The Kingdom of God is Within You"... It's a classic piece of literature of which Urantia obviously borrows from in terms of ideas of 'god' being inside of you. SO yes, Urantia does appropriate and incorporate some good classic literature sentiments, but I believe this masks a lot of Urantia's underlying baggage about aliens, racial superiority and how to control it, as well as bogus claims in contrast with actual scientific and historical facts.

This again is in no way racist. You quote the Bible to back these statements you make but fail to recall how often times people take one line here and there out of a book and it appears a certain way.

In the bible (genisis 6) it says god sent a flood to destroy the human race as it was, for his wickedness, that the sons of god saw the daughters of men and took of them as they chose and came into them. This could be interpreted to be the same story.

The urantia book is talking about pre jesus(way before) at this point being 6 races on earth who were intended to mix, definitely not racist. (Edit) none of which are white or black

Ill put it like this, the Urantia book could easily sound to some to be f'd up, but so could any other religous work if you don't take time and effort to understand it.

It says plenty of things about genetic flaws, it does not endorse what we would today call eugenics, as well as racial topics not racist comments or stances. Would humans not try to alleviate these flaws? One thing that helps is interbreeding, which is what the book is saying, if you think of dog breeds the mut is more fit than the pure breed and has the benefits of both in most cases.

Any quick google and you can have your pick of stances on any subject, if you were to read this book you would see it is much more than this.

The book says that even though genetically we are not all equal spiritually we are, imagine a neanderthall and a homosapien.

Im studying in hopes to be a botanist actually, people are not as interesting as plants are to me by a long shot.

And I do take everything with a grain of salt, yes I love this book, did I ever say I wholeheartedly believe it in its entirety?

It speaks to me and I deserve that much as a human, and yes you have rubbed off a bit rude. It seems that way to quote a biast opinion despite having done little to no research into it for yourself.

I wasn't quoting the bible buddy. All of my quotes in this thread are from Urantia...

Please explain how these are not racist...

“unrestrained multiplication of inferiors, with decreasing reproduction of superiors, is unfailingly suicidal of cultural civilization”

“The church, because of overmuch false sentiment, has long ministered to the underprivileged and the unfortunate ... leading to the unwise perpetuation of racially degenerate stocks.”

“The indigo [Black] race was moving south in Africa, there to begin its slow but long-continued racial deterioration.”

“It is neither tenderness nor altruism to bestow futile sympathy upon degenerated human beings, unsalvable, abnormal and inferior mortals.”

“The selective elimination of inferior human strains will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities.”




HELLO, don't act like this book was written before the concept of eugenics. Urantia was published in 1955 well after Hitler's eugenics programs. So don't act like the concept of eugenics was non existent when this book was written. So please tell me how this quote from Urantia does not pertain to eugenics:

“The difficulty of executing such a radical program on Urantia consists in the absence of competent judges to pass upon the biologic fitness or unfitness of the individuals of your world races." "Notwithstanding this obstacle, it seems that you ought to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshiping of your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate, and antisocial stocks”.

guys, i just wanted to see if you could see the strong connection. I would have loved "yea I see where your going, but for some reason that book leaves a bad taste in my mouth", or the opposite. My first post failed, haha. It's all good though. I will def get tolstoy's book as well. Thanks again

The thing is, here on the nexus we have such diversity, we can not wave fact in the face of philosophy. The stance from the man you orginally quoted is obviously totally against the Urantia book ( perhaps a bit paranoid). So maybe refrain from objectifying completely or at least come up with "your" own argument.

Everyones a scholar on the web

Haretic wrote " Therefore it is YOU who is failing to take into consideration your own biased beliefs based on the book and not on outside objective facts."

Objective facts? Please prove any philosophy with science.

DUDE Urantia isn't simply philosophy, it makes many baseless and insane historical and scientific claims on facts about the earth and universe, which are completely untrue.

"Originally Posted by Urantia 41:6.2
Calcium is, in fact, the chief element of the matter-permeation of space throughout Orvonton. Our whole superuniverse is sprinkled with minutely pulverized stone. Stone is literally the basic building matter for the planets and spheres of space. The cosmic cloud, the great space blanket, consists for the most part of the modified atoms of calcium. The stone atom is one of the most prevalent and persistent of the elements. It not only endures solar ionization—splitting—but persists in an associative identity even after it has been battered by the destructive X rays and shattered by the high solar temperatures. Calcium possesses an individuality and a longevity excelling all of the more common forms of matter. ..."

The suggestion that calcium is the main component of the universe or even a major one is demonstratively false. Calcium is far down the list and a minor constituent of the universe. Yes there is proof of this, spectral data confirms that calcium is a minor part of the universe as it is in the sun, no 6000 mile layer in the sun.

Elements in the sun.

Element Abundance (% of total Abundance
number of atoms) (% of total mass)
Hydrogen 91.2 71.0
Helium 8.7 27.1
Oxygen 0.078 0.97
Carbon 0.043 0.40
Nitrogen 0.0088 0.096
Silicon 0.0045 0.099
Magnesium 0.0038 0.076
Neon 0.0035 0.058
Iron 0.030 0.014
Sulfur 0.015 0.040

Calcium is not even in the top ten in the universe. Even on the "rocky earth" calcium is till a minor element. Here are the seven most common elements of the earth by percentage.

34.6% Iron
29.5% Oxygen
15.2% Silicon
12.7% Magnesium
2.4% Nickel
1.9% Sulfur
0.05% Titanium

Not to mention, the whole basis of the book Urantia which says that the earth's actual name is in fact Urantia. I mean come on man, you actually believe this bogus written by the "alien hierarchy" authors of Urantia.

& Don't try to pin this between philosophy and science. As I clearly stated before, Urantia actually appropriates philosophy from earlier classic literature from Leo Tolstoy and Aldous Huxley

You did quote the bible. " I will quote just one Bible verse in this review, written by Paul nearly two thousand years ago (which the divine revelators no doubt would prefer that it be ignored), and let the reader decide whether or not the shoe fits:" as a perfect exapmple of taking something out of context.

You are twisting what is said, I never said anything about the book existing before eugenics.

The book is saying that the human race declined from its intended greatness after the rebellion, it is after all saying we were just a big ole science experiment of angels gone wrong, that the natural process of interbreeding will accomplish what the angels could not naturally, you make it sound like a plot to wipe out races considered inferior, it never says that, the plan was to interbreed and make a godly race with angelic dna.

Hey I dont care if you hate it, try and formulate your own opinions, give it an actual read and not just quote some renowned skeptic who clowned on lots of philosophies.

I guess you wouldn't remember typing that verse, because you copied and pasted it.

NO i did not quote the bible, that quote you listed was from the original article I put up in here exposing Urantia. So in fact, you are the one twisting my words. I personally haven't quoted the bible once, I've only quoted passages from Urantia which clearly show it's racism and eugenic undertones.

& No the author of that article is not just a skeptic clowning philosophies. In fact he clearly shows Urantia's plagiarism from 7DA on the concept of soul-sleep as well as points out the fallacies that Urantia trys to pass of as historical and scientific fact.

Just because it resembles something, and shares points does not make it plagarism, your entire first post was copied... the irony of you calling something a plagarism.

Are you trying to say I plagiarized? LMAO, my first post with the article was clearly in quotations, if I was plagiarizing I wouldn't have done that, you are ridiculous. & YES it has been proven that Urantia plagiarized from 7DA their concept of soul-sleep. So no they weren't just creating a similar concept they were in fact copying the exact thing as created earlier by 7DA.

Haeretic wrote: Calcium is, in fact, the chief element of the matter-permeation of space throughout Orvonton

We live in Satania acording to the Urantia book, not Orvonton

ntwhatyouknow, still curious, did you see the connection i was trying to make or not?

Haeretic wrote: YES it has been proven that Urantia plagiarized from 7DA their concept of soulless-sleep

Again fact in the face of philosophy, cannot be proven one way or the other..

And though the book makes many scientific claims it is largely spiritual and should be classified as such.

It is the philosophy inside that intrigues me.