First off, TiHKAL was not written by an in-experienced tripper lmao. It was written by the Shulgins and is a sequel to their first book PiHKAL both of which were mainly psychedelic trip reports.

At the dose of harmaline and DMT he had, it's understandable why he had a difficult time. That's basically like a full on ayahuasca admixture trip minus all the plant material and THH. The shulgins were synthesizing chemicals and using them, alexander shulgin was a chemist not a botanist. If he would have done real ayahuasca instead of the synthetic chems maybe he would have had a better experience. You aren't even supposed to be walking around with that much harmaline in you. Regardless, the effect of ego smashing that he talks about makes sense and is very common from ayahuasca admixtures.

Sorry if I'm coming off rude. Just had a frustrating day.

I'm not using a modifier word that is exactly what Alexander Shulgin used. Synthesized Harmaline. http://www.erowid.org/li...ne/tihkal/tihkal13.shtml

It's just seemed off topic to keep explaining why bad trips are learning experiences.

Sorry if I'm coming off rude. Just had a frustrating day.

I'm not using a modifier word that is exactly what Alexander Shulgin used. Synthesized Harmaline. http://www.erowid.org/li...ne/tihkal/tihkal13.shtml

It's just seemed off topic to keep explaining why bad trips are learning experiences.

...If he would have done real ayahuasca instead of the synthetic chems maybe he would have had a better experience...

Actually Sasha and Anne have taken ayahuasca and they said they both a terrible experience on it as well. I've been trying to find the source for where I read/heard that. I'm fairly sure it was in the Ask The Shulgin's Talk they gave for Palenque Norte in 2006. I'll keep searching and post a link when I do find it.

Yes...and yet you seem to be stating that synthesized harmaline is worse for you than "natural" harmaline. Why is that?

Also, a source for the hypertensive crisis claim you made would be nice.

And fwiw, I don't even feel 150mg of harmaline when taken orally.

... Here's a direct source report of a woman going to the hospital after OD'ing on syrian rue... http://1.usa.gov/QKdUAv

A 41-year-old female prepared a hot drink by boiling approximately 100 g of P. harmala seeds in water

I'm not saying synthetic is worse than natural but it's definitely a lot riskier as far dosing goes.

IMO the MAOI part of ayahuasca/pharmahuasca is like the window that you look through and the dmt is like the scene your looking at...

With ayahuasca "the window" is very clear. When you start removing components then IMO the window becomes fuzzy or obscured in certain ways.

IMO Straight DMT without harmala gives a completely different effect than oral DMT

...If you're taking synthetic harmaline and make a small mistake on dosage that can be the deciding factor between a good and deadly trip...

I was replying to your comment to VoidTraveler, where you asked



And IMO, the risks of having a difficult experience should NOT be a reason to refrain from trying. We'll hopefully learn and prepare and do everything our best, but psychedelic drugs can take you to a tough ride regardless. We have to acknowledge that difficult moments can and do happen. And they can be very valuable.

To put it simply, I think you need to contemplate bad experiences in order to face psychedelics properly, no matter how careful you are. And think about using them well when they show up, instead of letting them keep you from exploring.

It most certainly does. Harmaline is a hallucinogenic itself at high doses. It's one of the beta-carbolines of the ayahuasca vine. When this is taken with DMT called ayahuasca admixture, the trip can be quite strong.

I think it's wrong and risky to take synthesized DMT and Harmaline together. You should be drinking ayahuasca admixture before doing anything like that. If you're gonna take synthesized DMT then just smoke it as freebase, that's the right way to do it.

Please research this before you say that it's okay to be lackadaisical about taking synthetic harmaline. It is nothing like a regular DMT experience like the OP was asking.

Well this is not how I operate buddy. I avoid bad times whenever I can.

Harmala, harmaline, THH alkaloids are central nervous system stimulants. You can overdose on them. I'm sorry if that was a bad source in comparison, there are many other OD reports at even smaller doses. Please research this before you say that it's okay to be lackadaisical about taking synthetic harmaline. It is nothing like a regular DMT experience like the OP was asking.

Please cite sources for the claims you are making about synthetic harmalas. Do you mean extracted harmalas? Either way, please state at what doses you are talking about minor amounts being potentially fatal.

The sort of posts you are making at the moment are pushing you close to a vacation from the Nexus. If you do not have evidence for the claims you are making, please admit as much and stop making them. The sort of misinformation you are currently spreading is antithetical to the discourse we seek to promote.

NO I don't mean extracted. The OP cited mr. shulgins synthesized harmaline. All I was saying is to be careful b/c you can overdose and it's a lot easier when dealing with mgs. I'm not saying harmaline is dangerous in and of itself.