I am truly agree with you, while i only experienced psychedelic once, with personally brewed ayahuasca. Thats my first time and the visions of dark entity are actually real from what i observed in my enviroment, physical reaction, and visions.

Like you, im a Christians but i have a strong(extreme) faith to Jesus Christ, and this is what saved me from that demons. I remember while im struggling to face this entity in my visions, i had to pray physically and will my mind to cast away the entity, well they are too many but not more than 10 form i guess, but they cant approach me as if someone told them not to do. Then there is a moment where i feel very weak and the dogs outside of my house barking continuosly with some weird sounds i cant explain. Everytime i feel a strong purge , this animal will eventually started to bark loudly. I didnt wait too long, i know there are unknown spirits in my stomach which is not familiar to me, making me weak, and super cold. From here i know that i must perform a little exorcist( some kind of deadly option to me) to my body..i ran to my bedroom to get a holy water and went back to my last position. I opened the bottles cap and i say out loud, " I COMMAND YOU NOW ALL EVIL SPIRIT TO LEAVE MY BODY!! IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST! " Then i drank a bit of the holy water and squirt it from top of my head to all parts of my body. Then i layed down and this time i didnt hear any barking sounds anymore. So i stood up and i go to my kitchen to drink some warm water and this time i feel good and i cant feel any weakness anymore. It was 6 days already and i still processing the experience.

So i am about to stop taking any psychedelic substance and absolutely just focus towards on meditations(which lead me to a mind opening and most beautiful out of body experience before). I have to 'repair' the "broken backdoor" which is what i called the most favourite door for any evil to show up to us. Light is the best 'code' to deal with psychedelic substance especially to DMT and ayahuasca.

After reading several accounts like these a common theme seems to be certain entities taking something. Many report entities feeding off negative energy but some report something of a slightly different nature where entities described variously as stereotypical grey aliens, apathetic "scientist" types or unidentified minor gods as taking something far more valuable than what these entities give back. I am curious what people think is being taken (life essence, experiences, chi, or the like) and for what purpose, if any?

I find these negative entity experiences seem to be related to trauma that has occurred in my life. That these experiences are only seemingly negative because these entities seem to be unrooting painful traumatic experiences, sometimes I have found that psychedelics make recall trauma I had forgotten. This recall seems to be the work of entities within me. I don't think I have every truly met a negative entity that had only the intention to harm me.

I think Chi, life force that is being taken. I noticed the "mental attacks" i had on my psyche this night had a direct correlation to my chakras. Negative thoughts and feelings agressively pumped into my being. My third eye chakra is filled with love. luckily, and i think it remains as such.

Not sure tho. I am not versed enough. Perhaps weakened chakras is what ATTRACTS the beings. Negative emotions have such an effect. I don't feel particularly weakened. I feel just as weak as i was feeling before i smoked dmt. The "attack" did hinder my work with the molecule. And i refrain from smoking at this point. Maybe i won't smoke until i have learned some way to defend myself. (Stillness and prayer might work but i'll dabble with mushrooms first)

I don't want to seem to paranoid. I think there's a huge lesson we are to learn here. These demons might just be a part of us. But on the other hand.. My gut feelings tells me there's a battle going on and each one of us is being prepared by the gods to get ready to rumble.

i am reminded of taking a pet to the vet.

the pet doesn't know what is going on, and is understandably afraid.

but both the vet and the owner are working in the pets' best interest.

but surely the pet considers the vet to be an negative entity.

While being a pet taken to a vet would clearly have the potential to be terrible and frightening... invasive, and maybe painful... there are surely other experiences a pet can have with human "entities+ that would be worse and genuinely negative. They could be captured by some dog loving Koreans or Vietnamese... they could be captured by some sick cultists or disturbed children that might sacrifice it or torture it for fun.

Also... dogs have a pretty keen sense of the intentions of people. They may not know what you are doing technically, but they tend to know very well if your intentions are good or not. I would say dogs are better judges of human character than most people are.

Just saying.

I think it depends on the nature/nurture of the dog in question. If it has spent it"s life being beaten down by a cruel owner then it will shrink away from human attentions. If it has been trained to tear the gonads off of strangers then that will be it"s modus operandi.
I quite like the analogy of being prodded about by vetenarian entities.

When it comes to the vet analogy, that works for some experiences; I am reminded of reports of surgery type experiences that pop up occasionally. In these cases it seems relatively benign, yes. However, the analogy falls far short (IMO, of course) when it comes to truly dark or demonic experiences. Some entities want only to harm you, unfortunately. Why that is, I cannot say, but that's how it is.

Even though I accept the existence of conscious agents without a material body due to my own experiences, I have a hard time reconciling what some of you are saying with my world view. Perhaps I am wrong, but I find it hard to completely buy into the idea of Jesus Christ as the saviour of mankind. I don't want to get into a debate of whether these experiences are 'real' so to speak, but accepting Jesus Christ implies accepting a whole load of other religious stuff. Where to draw the line? Can I pick and choose what parts of the religion make sense to me and what don't?

From what I've seen, DMT seems to often lead people to a syncretic view of religion and spirituality. I would be more happy to leave it be if not for my own need for 'spiritual defense'.

Hope to see more ideas and new thoughts, I think this is an important issue for all travelers or would-be travelers.

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I can't really give you a proper answer unfortunately, but I suspect for the more intelligent and less malevolent ones, information could be what is valuable. I do believe that some entities do it 'for the evulz' as they say. In other words, because they take pleasure from the suffering of another. I could give you a more in depth answer but I'll probably end up going in circles. The way I see it, consciousness is a key part of the answer though, because consciousness seems to be a more fundamental part of reality, from my analysis.

I think these experiences are dependent on your state of mind and general world view.

I have been on the slab with 2 or 3 entities leaning over me monitoring my health, while hundreds of other little enities were running around in the background worrying that i was ok. I saw this in a positive light and when the trip had ended i was quite gratified that they were all concerned for my wellbeing. Perhaps someone else would have seen it in a more sinister light.
Who would have been right?

I think both viewpoints would have been correct. Maybe the reality of hyperspace is like the observer effect in quantum physics where the minutiae of our neuronal activity affects the way our consciousness reacts with hyperspatial situations. Thereby creating our reality and thus steering our interactions with our surroundings.

Even when you arn"t in hyperspace your thoughts affect your reality and interactions. Say you go down the pub and you are brimming with self confidence, the opposite sex are drawn to you and people want to know you. If you happen to be in an introverted state of mind, you usually just sit in the corner on your own. State of mind can be an all encompassing game changer.

But i don"t really understand quantum physics (or the DMT experience, or neuronal activity, come to think of it). So i am probably talking rubbish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT-_uCLwKhQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGCtMKthRh4

sorry for de-rail.

Thanks Parshvik, your"e a diamond. Funnily enough i was looking at double split experiment explanations this afternoon, as i was due to have coffee with a girl who has an interest in quantum stuff and i wanted to introduce an interesting conversation piece .

I have to say that in your links the chap in the cartoon explained it in a way that i could understand. Sorry for the continuation of the derail.

I stand by my nature/nurture observational translation theory of entity situations. I also stand by my theory that each observer has their own personal truth in relation to happenings in hyperspace, as in life itself.
But i may revoke the quantum aspect untill i have a better thought out hypothesis. Then maybe i will post it in the Through the Looking Glass section.

Yes there are certainly people that feel affraid with experiences that others might consider neutral or beneficial in a hidden way.

Nevertheless I have also had experiences where contact was really convincingly evil, no matter how optimistic one might be. I am also one of the people to try to take anything without judgement and just learn from it, but at times it's not that simple...

I did learn from it anyways, but still I had the definite feeling it is something one should have specific tools when dealing with it, and that plenty of people might not be prepared to deal with that and could come out damaged, at least psychologically.

Our health and safety section has a part exactly on preparing for and dealing with those negative encounters, be sure to check that out.

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>>>>Even though I accept the existence of conscious agents without a material body due to my own experiences, I have a hard time reconciling what some of you are saying with my world view. Perhaps I am wrong, but I find it hard to completely buy into the idea of Jesus Christ as the saviour of mankind. I don't want to get into a debate of whether these experiences are 'real' so to speak, but accepting Jesus Christ implies accepting a whole load of other religious stuff. Where to draw the line? Can I pick and choose what parts of the religion make sense to me and what don't? <<<<<


Question everything and accept what truly makes sense. Be gentle and thorough and cautious and recognize that there is no way that you are ever going to get everything right. This realization will keep you humble and help you not to judge those you believe to be mistaken so harshly.

I grew up Christian and there is a fair amount that I keep and a fair amount that I discard. I often revisit these decisions in case I missed something when I was younger and less mature.

In my experience you're never really going to know where to draw the line. Ever. Let go of the idea that you are able to really grasp the whole of the Truth. None of us are. That idea is ego.

Now, and keep in mind this is only in my experience for all you know I could be a nutjob, when it comes to dealing with malevolent spiritual entities I have never found one who could abide the light of pure, divine love. Try a gratitude meditation before you begin. Thank God, the Universe & everything for all the blessings in your life.

You can also try affirmations such as: I know that God loves me and that He will guide me and protect me as I journey this day. Try saying that until you feel calm and at peace.

It's useful any time any day to bring a sense of inner peace and light to your life.

If you are filled with love and light going in you are far less likely to encounter a negative entity in the first place.

If you can be sincere about it thank the entity for the reminder that you need to develop your faith and a closer personal relationship with God. Do not let them distract you from the Truth that God loves you. Weak faith is really just lack of focus on God's Infinite Light of Love. Let them say what they will, just repeat over and over "I love God and He Loves me."

God loves all. God is love. As you focus on thoughts of love your spirit will emanate more light.

Beings of darkness cannot abide the light of pure love.

Very good answer, thank you.

Some time ago I did ayahuasca and during the session some hideous ideas came up in me; we were in a tent with a fire and I thought the place was going to light up. Next I thought that I would be lighting it up and have everybody inside burned alive. Then I thought about how to kill myself.

I didn't do anything. Just was lying and kept doing that until it went away.

These thoughts came out of nowhere. I was in the midst of this session that was being led by a amazon shaman. These things just popped up and left me utterly disturbed.

It took me a long time to get over it. But in the end I just learned to let things go, much deeper and profound. I found the more it was resisted, the more disturbing it became.

Sometimes I feel like negative entities, dark thoughts and compulsive urges come hand in hand with the desire for something. Be it to avoid suffering or to gain happiness. Even the will to live is a deep desire.
To be completely left alone by any negative experience is to be devoid of any happiness too. Though it might yield cosmic bliss, who knows? But in between that there's earthly life...

If there's anything I could add to the discussion:

* First of all try to be out of harm's way, don't get in the way when it's coming.
* Second if you're in harm's way and avoiding is too late, don't resist it.
* Third if it get's too serious for getting out of the way or letting it go, then attack - use positive vibes, love, light etc.

Was surfind around and got interest into this topic.Registered to share what I've know.And for help if i could.

We are not alone we are living in our dimension with angels and jinns as you have said angels are guardian to menkind and jinns (they are good and bad ones) the bad ones called demons trying to make humankind pervert and make them sins they are made of smokeless fire and every human has jinn and angel living with them the angel for protect and the jinn for deflect.Deflect from what ? Deflect from belief to God.How can they do it ? By making you believe false religions ridicolous religions.


Bismillahirrahmanirrahim

The story of Adam and Eve is told in the Qur’an. Although it is similar in many ways to what is found in the surviving remnants of the previous scriptures, some important principles differ.

God announced to the angels that He was placing a new specie on earth. God created Adam, fashioning him from clay. He breathed the soul into Adamp, taught him the names of all things, and created from the same soul his wife, Eve. God allowed them to dwell in Paradise with free will. God said to the angels, “Bow down to Adam” (They did so in a form of respect, not worship). Satan was present among the angels, though he was not one of them. He was of the jinn, a race of beings possessing free will that God created before Adam from a smokeless flame of fire. When God ordered the angels and those in their company to bow down to Adamp, they all did so except Satan, who refused out of pride and arrogance, claiming to be better than Adam because he was created from fire, whereas Adam was created from clay. Indeed, Satan was the first racist.

Satan fell from God’s grace. God, The Reckoner, condemned him for his disobedience, but Satan, the accursed, asked God to give him respite until the Day of Judgment (resurrection), so he could make Adam and his descendants unworthy. Satan said, “Verily I will mislead them and surely I will arouse in them vain desires.” God granted him this respite as a trial for humanity. God knows what Satan knows not. It is important to note that there is no way Satan could ever “war” with God, because just like everything else, he is God’s creation. Satan exists only by God’s will; he is completely under God’s power. If God did not want Satan or his helpers to exist, they would not be able to remain in existence for even a moment.

Islam does not give Satan any share of God’s divinity. It does not attribute to him any godlike or divine qualities. Islam rejects the notion that Satan went to war with God and took a third of the hosts of Heaven with him. Satan is an avowed enemy of humanity, but he is merely a creature, absolutely dependent upon God for his very existence.

Though prideful, accursed, and fallen from the grace of God, Satan serves a purpose. God wanted humans to have free choice between right and wrong. He granted human beings an innate ability to recognize The Creator and turn to Him. The human being is considered to be originally good by nature, born pure in the state of Islam (submission). Satan and his hosts order evil and oppose good, seeking to misguide humanity, his avowed enemy, into evil and idolatry, away from monotheism, righteousness, and the path of God. God, The All Wise, invites Muslims to enjoin good and forbid evil. Because we exercise free will, by resisting the temptation of Satan, humans can attain a great level of honor.

The following is a summary of the trial of Adam and Eve in Paradise: They enjoyed perfect freedom and happiness in Paradise. God told them to eat of the fruits of the Garden with pleasure and delight as they pleased. He forbade them from approaching one tree, and warned them that if they did, they will both be of the wrongdoers. Satan came and deceived them, saying that God only forbade them from eating of that tree because it would make them immortal or they would become like the angels. They were thus deceived by Satan and ate of the tree.

Adam and Eve felt shame. They turned to God in sincere repentance and God, The All-Forgiving, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful, forgave them. Islam clearly rejects the concept of original sin, or the notion that all humans are born sinners because of the actions of Adam. No human shall ever bear the burden of another (for God is The Just). Every human being is responsible for his or her actions and is born as a Muslim, pure and free from sin. It is important to note that Islam does not place the blame on Eve. Both Adam and Eve had free will. Both of them ate of the tree. Their sin and disobedience was a joint venture. Islam rejects the idea that women are wicked temptresses or cursed with the burden of menstruation and pain of childbirth due to the sin of Eve.

God removed Adam and Eve from Paradise and made them dwell on earth. God had earlier said to the angels that He was placing a new being on earth. Earth is where God, from the time of creation, in His timeless knowledge, wanted us to be.


In the link below Qur'an explains us what jinns are (as you call the dark entity)

http://quran.com/72

http://www.kuran.gen.tr/...;x=s_main&y=s_middle

I think we are talking about the same entity.

I also have been met with a dark entity, here's a thread about my encounter and interpitation on the matter, it sucks when you go through it, but you have the strength to do anything, even banish a dark entity from anything. Be badder than it. https://www.dmt-nexus.me...;t=57392&find=unread