My advice for those few I manage to coach into it, is that after you feel completely peculiar, you have to take one more enormous toke!

That was how a couple of my experiences were before I had refined my smoking technique. 1 time in particular included using a bic lighter, when that wasn't vaporizing very well my friend asked if he should grab the torch. I shook my head yes and proceeded to hold in my hit. When he came back I was starting to feel the effects very well.

The torch had a safety switch that you had to pull down before pushing the button. You can imagine now I'm still holding my breathe trying to explain to him how to operate the torch. My vision was being slightly distorted and words didn't make much sense to me. When he finally got it, he torched the glass and the DMT started to Vape a TON.

As I cleared the bong I knew I was in for a ride. I don't remember exhaling lol

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I noticed you didn't mention the classic VG. I bought one the other day at a head shop. Do you feels it's inadequate to these other methods?

I know the question wasn´t aimed at me... but if I were to answer: I don´t personally think there are essentially "better" or "worse" methods of DMT adnimistration. Some are just technically more difficult than others. GVG is just "proved" by too many people who smoke DMT, including myself. But remember: the whole DMT generation before us was able to live without it

IMO, classic VG has a "disadvantage" that you cannot see through it. With the Glass VG, you can see through, i.e., you have a potentially better control over the process of vaporization.

I personally have only a GVG. However, as the "classic" VG works on the same principles, I assume I would be able to learn how to maniputale it very soon with same/similar results.

Just my opinion.

I have some experience with DMT over the past year, I've done it about 200 times or so, practiced with different size doses, different methods of inhalation. I always prefer my dose large. If too little is done it is a very unpleasant experience. If I don't completely blast off and am stuck here it is usually extremely uncomfortable for the time period that I feel intoxicated. For this reason, I always do more as opposed to less. When introducing people to it that have never done it I give them a bowl with 1:1 changa, 50mg. I tell them if they can't finish it all that it is okay, but I also caution them against taking too little because of the unpleasant side effects of not taking enough. I've never had anyone complain that it was too much, they have all loved it. I may have a certain bias because I have meditated for quite a few years heavily before experimenting with DMT so I have already achieved certain states of mind without drugs and am able to have a certain control over myself and am able to keep myself calm. I recently gave 50mg changa to someone that I know that has never done DMT but has always been interested. She has suffered with depression and anxiety. Even before the experience she mentioned having a panic attack when seeing a spider in her bathroom. Despite that fact I told her this would be a very beautiful experience. She finished the pipe of 50mg dmt mixed with the changa and had a great time, she even did a second dose of the same size. I say go big or go home. So based on my personal experience with this substance, and the experience of how newbies have handled 50mg DMT, I'd say more is better than less.

Actually its been debated many times about efficiency between different methods. I have myself been a part of some of these debates. I use a conduction method, GVG and VG use a convection method. It has actually been found, and is relatively supported by the general nexus, that the GVG is the most efficient way of vaping it. That is, compared to The Machine, the crack pipe, sandwich method. Because it uses convection to vaporize the DMT.

Yes the earlier generation lived without but I much doubt they were able to have breakthrough experiences on 19-25mg like some nexians have claimed. We just have the technological advantage

I have since changed my view based on the science of the way things work. I do have very similiar effects per dose as compared to using a GVG, but the GVG really is a more efficient way of doing it.



Thank you, its on there now. If theres a thread based on just the classic I dont see it but I will add a link if it becomes available. I myself have no idea whether one is better than the other. i have heard the glass is better due to the fact the classic has a larger hole that the vapor goes through into the pipe.

I have no experience so sorry on that.

Im doing a jimjam extraction, and I'll be smoking out of a Vaper genie glass bat. Would the obove advice work for me??? Like pre-heating, and not touching the glass etc.

i dont see why not. The technique probably wont change depending on the type of material. Vaping temps I would believe would be the only thing that would requires any changes.

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No disrespect, but couldn't this information be added to the existing DMT Dosage Guide listed in my sig to cut down on redundancy? Or maybe change the title of this thread to the DMT Vaping Guide?

I could change it if that's what's requested. It would make sense as its more of a freebase vaporizing dosage guide. What do you guys recommend I change it too.

I do think however the guide in your sig is a little misinforming. 30-50mg for vaping freebase? That extremely high if you do it correctly, as you can see from the posts on this thread that many disagree with that amount. For newbs or experienced users.

i feel really stupid i've been overkilling myself alot apparently and i find it even sadder that my brother couldn't breakthrough on like 200mg+ he must of been burning it dam my brother wasting my spice but on another note i am going to hyperspace right now

It definitely takes practice. What device r u currently using, you and your brother?

Good information for newcomers, but do you guys really think that 45mg is considered "overkill", even in the GVG?

I'd just consider that a high dose, not quite overkill.

well i've just been using a regular bong. i tried in my chillum but it kind of melted and clogged it bad, although i gave my brother a .2\gram and idk what he smoked it out of but he said he seen stuff but he can't come close to describing a breakthrough dose so i think he wasted 200mg and theres prob some still stuck in his bowl ima tell him to try to smoke it.

Some members have described 45-50mg as black out dose in the GVG

So what about people without scales? Is there a way to Guage what kind of dose they're trying to aim for?
And are the gvg/vg & sandwich method the only methods people have tried here? I know of "the machine".. But drilling through glass alone seems like more work than I'm trying to do for just vapor..

And is a torch lighter always recommended regardless of technique?

What about a plain olé Vaporizer? What temp would be recommended and how would one pack a bowl, persay.. Sandwich method again?

There are no efficient ghetto rigged ways out there that don't involve drilling through glass bottles?

These are just a couple questions I'm sure are out there..

And hell, I want to know too..

I think it should be noted that even when smoked correctly, while 15mg may provide a mild experience on one occasion, it could be pretty deep and even a breakthrough on another occasion (particularly with those with a high sensitivity to DMT like myself). My point is to keep that "x factor" - that complete unknown variable (set of variables) that make the results incredibly unpredictable. I mean, it obviously doesn't just go with low doses. You can take 30mg on one day and then take it again on another day and get two experiences so incredibly different in character, quality and intensity that if you hadn't dosed yourself, you might not even believe it's the same drug.

When I was using DMT regularly, I never weighed anything out. Just put in a small amount and smoalk 'til you don't exist was my approach.


Crack/meth pipe works just fine, but you need good technique:




No...don't need to light a bowl of changa with a torch necessarily, same with dmt/changa joints...but you can.

always used the sandwich method. I'm getting a VG this weekend. But still need some matter to fill it.