What a crock.

Someday hopefully the tyranny and opression of mankind ends. Until then better not to draw too much attention to yourself!

At the moment it looks like a single, odd instance of someone who just got unlucky. I doubt that it is part of a concerted action of LEO. But still, it is not good to know that customs are clever enough to seize mimosa shippment. Also a good analysis of the article, Unheimlich. It really doesn't help his case. If they are a supplier of mimosa, they might have purchased several times before without any problems.

So if what has been said is correct, he only got arrested after he ACCEPTED the shipment even being questionned by customs.

Main tip for anybody importing ethnobotanical plants from other countries: DO NOT ACCEPT PACKAGES THAT HAVE BEEN IN CUSTOMS FOR SEVERAL DAYS/WEEKS!

Only accept packages that have come through fast, meaning there was no time for customs to search and to prepare a sting operation. Better lose a bit of money and just never pick up the package/deny it's yours, than to pick it up and risk your freedom.

It's all to do with the way the law is written, what you can order. If mimosa hostilis is illegal to import, then he took a risk and has paid the ultimate price. In the UK mimosa hostilis is a grey area because it's legal to import bark pieces, although not powdered form, but i'm not sure about Germany where there may be a total ban on it regardless of "form". I'm sure if he ordered small quantities for skin therapy/ had legitamate uses, he would not have attracted any attention. But 6 kilos of mimosa may certainly arouse questions, especially in "prepared" form. Always check the legal status beforehand, especially when it may be considered as a class 1 drug depending on the law.

So I made a couple of friends with my statement. Don't get me wrong guys, the one to blame is of course the war on drugs. Which is wrong. As well as borders or customs authorities.

But he made a big mistake when he decided to import 2,5kg of MHRB into Germany. What did he thought? "Oh, the customs officers will buy my skin cream story, for sure".

Every parcel from abroad will go to Frankfurt Airport and get a x-ray scan. Look it up at YT (frankfurt flughafen, zoll) And if it's commerical health related you'll need a MSDS, quality statement, declaration of origin etc. - IN TRIPLICATE! :-) Whether you import chocolate, tea, c0c4 n3gr4, fake vigara pills or MHRB into Germany, the authorities will a) know it due to the parcel scanning b) send you an invitation to show up at the customs office and let you give them a declaration.

In case of the MHRB I'm sure the officers were triggered by the powder consistency. Plant powder = drug related. So a quick search on the internet will reveal what MHRB is used for. And guys: Busting ppl is their business. It's what they do for a living.

On several occasions, I've visited the customs office in Germany and you'll find HGH ampules and Viagra pills from China on their shelfs. He's not the only one who thinks the authorities won't notice it.

And for further information: the German nacotics law (BtmG) clearly states, that organic material which contains scheduled substances is illegal too. DMT = schedule 1 in Germany. This means MHRB = schedule 1 in Germany. The German authorities went berserk some years ago, when they've noticed, that the new Red Bull Cola contained trace amounts of cocaine. They've banned the sale for several week until Red Bull obtained a new coca extract for their Cola. And we speak of µg of cocaine!

So yeah, he drew the attention of the German authorities on MHRB. Congratulations!

You're logic would stand if this was the first case of importation. Members of this forum have been importing MHRB in Germany for years. In kilo amounts. It's not like customs got the internet just now

endlessness, I would say it depends on modus operandi of the particular customs. Turnover is a result of customs practice and busyness. Personally when I needed to declare something, my package always sat 3,4 days at the minimum.

I also think not picking up the package won't save you if law enforcement is decided to prosecute you. You can be traced through payment methods.

Yes shao but that's why you need to know how long it usually takes in your area for normal packets. Sitting for a month in customs is not normal, maybe a couple of days yes.

Also, regarding payment, it might or it might not be traced back to you, but for them to get authorization to check bank details, your packet must have called a lot of attention and a judge think its justifiable to get the order emitted. Ordering lower amounts (a kg is already plenty of DMT, even 500g), and not picking up parcels if they stand for too long in the customs, as well as, if possible, some non-traceable payment form or in someone else's name (consensually), many risks could be reduced.

Ufostrahlen, did you ever extract mimosa in germany? Do it would be reasonable and justifiable to laugh/be sarcastic when hearing about the bust of any person in germany who ever ordered mimosa (including when buying from inside since some re-seller had to take the risk for importing it)

This is no different than the explicit drug laws of the US, Canada, France and many other places. So...what's your point? These are laws we are all breaking. Don't pretend like this guy did something criminal but the rest of the community didn't/doesn't.


Yeah, he made the same "mistake" that everyone else makes every time they order mhrb. What's with the defense of the police? The manner in which he "drew attention" to mhrb appears no different than the manner in which anyone else might unintentionally draw attention to mhrb. Seriously, what's your problem?

I've had far too many friends that have had their lives completely screwed up by prohibition to think this is a light issue or a laughing matter or the fault of any user of mind-altering substances. Hell, I'm incredibly lucky for a number of reasons, that my own life isn't in the toilet as a result of these entirely backwards policies. As a community, we should be standing behind and supporting individuals who are not recklessly engaging with scheduled substances when things go to hell as a result of policies of prohibition, not laughing and making posts about why we're so superior to them because we haven't been arrested.

Importing 2,5kg of MHRB into Germany from a non-EU county with the intent of selling is reckless engagement. If you've ever encountered "den deutschen Zoll", you know what I mean. If not, you're speaking of theory.

Agreed. Learning the ways of your customs is essential to evaluate if something is taking too long.

However, I believe relying that you're "not big enough to bust", is poor security. Worst case scenario we're talking importation, distibution, manufacture of several kilos (using MHRB=DMT logic) of a List 1 substance. I take it for 1 kg of MDMA (strictly serving as an example of another List 1 substance), judge would definitely approve a warrant. It's definitely not the same but I fear judge would trust the police despite the faulty carrier-substance logic.



So far we have established that he was caught due to importation.

If you really believe this, I feel sorry for you.

What if you dont intend to sell ?

Still you will face prison, because 2,5kg isn't an amount which justifies personal use. Get it from a EU country, get it in reasonable amounts and don't ever sell it. Everything else is reckless behavior.

And for my new friend Snooze, who's probably interested in Bavarian customs:

http://www.sueddeutsche....ex-polizeichef-1.1309528

That's how things roll in Rosenheim.

As snozz said, mimosa is effectively illegal in all UN-member countries. DMT is in UN drug treaties and most or all countries have legislation with generic sections that say plants used for drug preparations are illegal.. It isnt always enforced though, just like it wasnt enforced in germany and many people ordered. So if you're ordering from inside a EU country, someone is being 'reckless' for you.

And in fact, even the person shipping out mimosa from, say, Brazil, is being reckless because in the law, any plant that can be used as a drug preparation is illegal. Unless you extracted yourself from a local plant, if you smoked DMT in your life someone else was reckless for you.

Lastly, I agree with your practical considerations, to, in general if possible, try to order from inside, small amounts and not selling. But that is a far cry from the "he deserved to get busted" kind of attitude. I can't agree with how you react to such news, it's selfish and it's double-standards considering what I just mentioned. And you dont seem to care

Why isn't it? I ordered 2.5Kgs...and it is for me and me alone. It will last me MANY years and I won't ever have to take the risk of getting it past customs again.

Look the simple fact is this. You are assuming way to much about this guy. You can't possibly know his intentions or really anything about him from that article.

Look at it another way: You order 100grms and he orders 2500grams. He deserved to go to jail and you are just an explorer? Why so?

Please see the double standard here. I think that is all everyone here wants to impart to you.

Yes he violated the law. Yes so have you. I would hate to wake up tomorrow to find a thread about you getting charged with a controlled substance for importing 100gms (> 1gram of pure DMT) of MHRB. In fact I would feel a lot of empathy for the situation you were in. Just try to empathize with the guy that just got his ENTIRE life fucked over because of the war on drugs. You know maybe he was a reseller...perhaps he was even the reseller that you have gotten MRHB from in the past. Doesn't change the facts that he technically hurt no one.

A non violent drug war causality is still a causality. As far as any of us know he had nothing but pure intentions.

Peace.

I never said, that he deserved it, I said, don't import unreasonable amounts into Germany. It's not the right country. Do it in Holland or the UK, ppl are more relaxed when it comes to herbs etc.

And yes, I do care. It's so sad, I only can laugh at it. But hey, at least Bavaria has top notch beer and Beamers!

Germans seemed to behave obsessively, I believe there have been kilogram MHRB packages(why not, considering it's legal uses) going past the customs, checked, and then this poor fellow gets problems for 2,5kg. Very unfortunate. Also whole matter of busting such substance is incredibly insane considering it's pretty much harmless to the society and the user.

The state attorny is usually not open for this kind of logic. They ALWAYS try to push intent to sell, even for small amounts. I would guess even 100g might be enough for them. I think we need to be thankful for those who are indeed risking much by importing mimosa. But there is a good reason, why there aren't any big ethnobotanical vendors in the biggest european economy.

Everyone in .de who is informed and knows how strict customs are knows that it is extremely risky to import mimosa from brazil. Still it is very important not to grow bitter and be cynical but to rather think of ways to help those who are affected. I've already suggested a legal defense fund, but the nexus would need to generate money, because as long as the traveler has to spend his personal money on the nexus, everything should go to him.

Thanks, nobody should have the impression that it was only bad luck. German customs are tricky and should not be underestimated.



True that. I think: Safety first! Don't let the numbers of misinformed ppl, who get busted by the authorizes grow. Keep it low and reasonable, especially in Germany. And maybe vote for the Pirate Party. Not that I'm into politics, but at least they make the effort for legalization and drug education.

Edit:

For your amusement, I found a nice video of Rosenheim on YT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-L8GktOKWM

Can you imagine lighting up your changa pipe there?

He was either unaware of this, or took a silly risk for which he is now paying for.