jbark wrote:Ok, I'll play a little DEVIL's ADVOCATE here:
There is an assumption that these substances help us see MORE of what is really there... what if it's actually the opposite?
Our brains thrive on pattern - it's how we make sense of the world around us: thoughts, dreams, stories, music... Our brains NEED organization and pattern to function and progress. WHAT IF:
What you see on psychedelics, and what smerrel is reporting to see all around him while not under the influence, are not our brain RECOGNIZING pre-existing motifs, but rather IMPOSING pattern on irregular surfaces as a means of forcing the impression of comprehension.
Of course I realize what I am proposing here - that what we see, and hear (and feel) on psychedelics is a material response to a chaotic barrage, the brain's way of organizing the random, or the minutely organized, into larger chunks of recognizable pattern. I am not espousing this theory, but merely observing it as an alternative way of looking at this phenomenon. It fits in with a larger view of one aspect of what I believe these substances may be doing to our consciousnesses.
Incidentally, I don't see these patterns, but I do, on largish dose of DMT, see letters: mostly chunky golden-hued capital E's flying by, sometimes reversed, sometimes with an extra bar in them - a child's way of describing them, but words, of course, fail...
JBArk
This is the most accurate way to look at these patterns through a scientific lens. II have given the phenomenon of patterns with respect to psychedelics a lot of thought. Consider the origins of the names we have given these drugs - psychotomimetics - a psychosis-inducing drug. What is a major symptom of schizophrenia? An overactive pattern processing mechanism in the brain, so that the guy delivering the mail seems in on some scandalous governmental plot to subject you to your worst fears, or what have you. So this description is accurate to a degree, because it can induce a mental state in which disconnected phenomena appear to have some connection - again, an overactive pattern recognition state.
But ah, the "newer" term for these drugs? Psychedelics! What does it mean? Mind- (or perhaps soul) -manifesting. I think this is the most accurate description for these drugs and what they do (above psychotomimetic or entheogen), Seeing patterns in chaos is what the human mind is best at. It's what makes us human, allows us to anticipate, predict, design, communicate, discover, understand, etc. And this is perfectly born out in seeing patterns in chaotic grains of gravel in concrete- it is the mind
manifest
before your eyes. You are seeing the pattern recognition capabilities of your mind. I don't think it's logical to assume the patterns represent some reality outside did the one you're creating with your brain/senses. But then, art is not logical, spontanaeity is not logical, lots of good stuff in life is not logical.
Now, from a shamanistic perspective, these patterns are language, the spirit of the plant made manifest by ingesting the shamanic medicine.
I don't defend either the scientific/reductionist ir creative/spiritual definition per se, but certainly it's two good ways of explaining the phenomenon, which is something dear to my heart.
What I've noticed lately with DMT is - I've been getting asymmetrical visuals,. Anyone encounter that?