it is that you take way too much, and then come here trying to like warn us about DMT, which you claim is so horrible and lures you in, never lets you go etc..well what proof do you have of this? So you took a gaint dose of one of the most powerful psychedelics there is that most people tend to only read about due to fear of even taking the stuff, and surprise surprise it was too much-fine. We have all been there.

Can you back up your claim that DMT is so horrible and why you think it lures people in and never lets them go and why you have to warn humanity to stay away from it, with something besides the fact that you had a freaky trip taking about 2 times as much as what is already concidered a large dose? With the things you are saying in your post I dont think that is too much to ask.

it whatever dude,

honestly i think i posted this for myself to look back on...

maybe you should go tell a mod to delete this post since it isnt giving any helpful insight to yourself or anyone else

You're getting a bit of a battering and are probably still feeling a bit fragile, so I will go easy

I am sorry that you had a horrible time, DMT can go far far far beyond what anyone would ever want to experience in their life time, as you have just discovered, so it is important that you aclimatise yourself at lower levels before pushing yourself well beyond the recommended dosage limit. This is the spirit world we are talking about here, it is not simply another high, Serious business - something that should be kept in mind before dosing IMO.

Moral of the story: DMT is an incredibly powerful substance and snorting 200mg will almost certainly have some negative side effects. And it is not the drugs fault if you take a ridiculous dose

obviously im going to have to edit my post because i probably didnt snort EXACTLY 200 mgs of the stuff.

i seriously took a small bump and i was gone... more on the lines of 100 mgs but i wasnt really thinking about it that hard when i was posting this.

jamie is a mod , just for the record

haha sweet, worst mod i have come across on here....

maybe i am just being fragile though

you're an asshole, no wonder spice owned you.

yep, thats gotta be it...

thanks for the enlightening insight

seriously though? are there no nexus members that want to help me gain insight rather than try to offend me on this subject?

i had HORRIBLE trips last year and i had members help me out with it at the time?

what the hell happened to the sense of love and connection that used to be here?

Maybe you should reflect a little. Give it some time to integrate. The only person who can help you is you. The nexus can help a lot but when you blame the spice for your experience and not the silly high dose you ingested then you are unlikely to get much help. Take responsibilty and the nexus will give you all the help you need. Peace.

Giver of Will- Im sorry you had such an experience.V large doses of DMT can be beguiling and disturbing and I think you took a dose which can undoubtedly put you through the mill.The learning point for you and all members who read this thread is that one should always measure your dose, start off low and work up the dosage till you get the kind of experience you seek.

Integrating such heavy trips can take a while; try not to derive too many hard conclusions from your trip or ponder on it too much.Your present state of mind will pass.Remember that this compound needs to be used responsibly.Also, before posting, please take a moment to establish that your words convey what you actually wish to say.Being insulting to members who are offering sound advice, albeit in a way that you may find too direct, is not helpful for anyone.

im sorry. but i dont really find "cry me a river" as "sound advice"

but i do thank you for your insight

Hey man,

I don't think anyone was talking down on you, you just need to understand that there are things which maybe don't make sense to you, but they do to others. Spice might not be for you, if you can't accept the fact that EVERYTHING, literally everything is possible. Reality disintegrating is not just a myth, as you may have noticed. Did you take time to analyze the information that was presented to you on those bad trips you claim to have had? What knowledge have you retained from them?

Second, maybe next time you'll try a substance, you'll better take care of reading about it thoroughly beforehand. This stuff is in no way like smoking a joint with 0.5g of weed in it instead of your usual 0.1. Didn't you ask yourself why this substance is regarded as the strongest psychedelic on earth? It didn't just vaporize itself in mid air and entered your body forcefully, you know

100mg of spice is HALF of your initially estimated 200mg dose. Either way, there's a huge difference from one to another, and you could just as easily have smoked less or more, but that's irrelevant; what is relevant is the fact that you didn't exactly knew how much to take and what to expect from that specific dose. You really don't need to go that far...maybe you were just looking for some good time, but well, this is hard work. If it's not for you, then you have the option of not doing it. If your beliefs are shattered, you might wanna consider taking another look at those beliefs, and see what that's about, instead of blaming what ever led you to having those beliefs.

Hope you get better,
Much love,

Want to start over with a more feminine perspective?

The first thing that struck me in reading your original post, and this has not changed as I've read all the replies, including yours was a huge question.

So, I wonder if you might be able to think back to the beginning of your session? You're sitting there preparing to rail a very large dose of N,N, DMT. Were you alone? Were friends encouraging you? As you look back, what were you thinking? Did memories of the previous bad experience come up?

I guess what I'm getting at here, is how was your set and setting and what precisely, was your intention? Did you think railing a large dose of N,N would yield a gentle ride with a nice light show? Or did you go into it on some level feeling you needed some sort of psychic reaming or clean-out?

Do you feel more baseline now? Do you feel any better? I want to give you my standard advice and I know for a fact it is good. You need to take some time to integrate this MONSTER of an experience. Just because it only lasted a few minutes on the clock does not mean it can be figured out quickly. When one goes deep, one must integrate long and hard as far as I can determine. Please take time in the upcoming days and weeks to be kind to yourself. Get good, non-drug-fueled, regular sleep. Eat regular, nutritious meals. Take a walk, explore nature. See friends. Get laid. Meditate and try to figure out what happened on this journey and what, if anything, it might mean to you. Then try to figure out how you will now move forward, potentially changed, with this new-found and very hard won data. This is how humans grow in my opinion.

You have been handed and/or have presented yourself with a huge opportunity for growth here.

What are you going to do with it?


One final post-script here: Unless you are 98 year old college student with a diagnosis of terminal and extreme metastatic cancer, I would encourage you not to say never again when it comes to this very special molecule. For all its' ephemeralness, life IS long and you (no one can) just cannot predict how you will feel or where you will be in six months, much less six years or the rest of your life. When I say, "never" I usually wind up eventually eating alphabet soup.

PLEASE READ BEFORE MAKING ANOTHER POST IN THIS THREAD!

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Dear people in this thread.

When I read this thread I see that there is a buildup of tension that is pretty easy to prevent. Pandora already made a very nice post about it.

We start with too little information and that leads to assumptions (Don't we all like Under Siege 2?). These assumption in turn lead to the OP finding himself attacked and going into defense and closing his mind for maybe valid arguments. This leads only to anger on both sides without the exchange and understanding of valid arguments.


So shall we start this thread over with better information? And shall we also stop making assumptions and if we are not sure about something ask if what we think is correct?

I think that it is important that we get all aspects of DMT from as many people as possible so that we can have a better overall view of the side effects, including side effects if we take a larger as normal dose.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Indeed, and with that said, Giver of will, (and anyone else who may be reading) you should realise many have done massive doses and came back to tell the tale, many of whom will say 'nobody could have possibly been as far as I have'. There is a small part of me which partly believes that noone has seen anything as impressive as I have, but I know that is ignorant. Think of the amount of people outside this forum who have probably tried to smoke/snort/ingest insane quantities of the spice, who may have never even uttered a word. Some of my most profound experiences are the ones I have never reported, it's just too difficult.

It's not a pissing contest, it's DMT, and nobody knows what eachother has seen. I'm pretty sure I've handled things which would make others lose their mind, and never be the same again, but I know someone else will be thinking the same thing, nobody knows for sure, but one thing is certain, lots of us have been there.

Seriously it will probably take something like 3 months to recover from that one, but in the future when you get 'the calling' which im pretty sure you will eventually, go with some nice changa (if you havent already). That was my strategy, it does the job that i need it to do. When I get the calling but im not all that ready for it, I will go with a 2/3 breakthrough dose of changa just the get the wonderful feeling which helps me recall other experiences with detail and dosen't mess your mind up lol

"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride." - Bill Hicks


Sorry you had a rough experience, and that the nexus was harsh on you. The universe can just become a hostile place sometimes but no matter how dark it gets, things tend to come back around.

I think jamie was just showing some tough love...or maybe is just feeling cranky today or maybe your attitude just pushed a button of his--whatever. To me it kinda sucks that it got blown up and escalated in such a way that you find yourself ganged up on. I don't think anyone whose posted here is an asshole. Reading the OP I felt compassion for you giver of will. I hope you can sort through whatever you experienced and move on.

its the next morning and im trying to piece the trip together a little better...

i did this line alone, i smoked some with herb probalbly 30 mins prior and wanted to go deeper, i read on here that snorting dmt actually works so i thought i would give it a try. I had no idea how much you actually needed to snort so i cut out a bump. I did the line and laid in my bed like, this is nothing, then all the sudden it was like everything got this really sharp and futuristic look to it, it was so familiar to me. I'm pretty sure i didnt break through because i could still see the world around me, only slightly sharper. Then it made me realize that i have actually been to this same experience before last year when i had a bad trip with the dmt that i completely forgot about until now. Im begging to think dmt is not for me, it seems everytime i get to this point in the process i REMEMBER how much i dont want to be seeing any of it. I always end up smoking it again though because of the fact that the memory of the bad experience is so fleeting.

Well what the heck did you expect? Sunshine, farts and unicorns?

perhaps, i dont know about farts though, sounds unpleasant.