We've Moved! Visit our NEW FORUM to join the latest discussions. This is an archive of our previous conversations...

You can find the login page for the old forum here.
CHATPRIVACYDONATELOGINREGISTER
DMT-Nexus
FAQWIKIHEALTH & SAFETYARTATTITUDEACTIVE TOPICS
PREV12
What is the void? Options
 
lysergicIV
#21 Posted : 1/7/2012 10:39:49 PM
DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 39
Joined: 10-Dec-2011
Last visit: 02-Dec-2012
For me the void is a place seperated from the sensible world. You can only comprehend it if you have been there. Trying to describe what it looks, sounds, tastes, smells, or feels like is not possible as those senses are not available to you while your consciousness is there.
 

Live plants. Sustainable, ethically sourced, native American owned.
 
Rising Spirit
#22 Posted : 1/8/2012 1:56:49 PM

'Tis A Looooooong Wind Blowing Cosmic Dust


Posts: 833
Joined: 15-Feb-2010
Last visit: 16-Feb-2025
Location: Vermont
As one who voices the word, "Void", quite frequently... I must qualify that there is really nothing we can say ABOUT the Void. We attempt to find a label which fits, and there are several that point towards it's enigmatic nature, YET NONE THAT CAN TRULY SUFFICE TO DEFINE WHAT IS INDEFINABLE. But we must be crystal clear, that if it can be described in words, it's not the Void, it is our concept of the Void.

In my heart of hearts, I have touched this no-thing. It is tangible, in the way it is experienced by a human being, yet, intangible in it's essence. As humanity reaches for a concept which most suits this no-thing-ness, we struggle within our minds, fixtures of dualistic perception, to capture something graspable about this Void.

Am I saying that said Void has characteristics? No, that is an absurd idea... but it does seem, from my admittedly limited vantage point, to be immaterial, indivisible and insubstantial. For millenniums, people have intimated that it is out of this no-thing-ness, that all this is, has come into being. This is mirrored in some of today's quantum physics, it is a relatively new hypothesis, that out of said no-thing-ness, quantum fluctuations were initiated... for no known reason. Now this is, in-and-of itself, a most profound and Sacred observation.

But is the Void simply the absence of something? You know, the polar opposite of everything else? Or is it that quintessential emptiness, existent within everything? Half of the whole, which are united together, in some cosmic dance of Omniscience being. Frankly, of all of the topics we might discuss, by design, this is one that can never be encapsulated in words or thoughts. NOT A CHANCE!!! Shocked

So, what is the value of perceiving this Void, if it cannot realistically be held within any conceptual context? I humbly suggest that it is of paramount importance for the psychonaut, as it reveals that there is so much more to existence within this vast universe, than what we can contain within our minds. This great mystery keeps us awake and alert to the fallacious behavior of our mental dialog, our need to comprehend everything we are capable of corralling into a linear format, and therefore, attempt to do so with no-thing-ness.

IMO, it is best to acknowledge the Void... and accept that it is beyond our grasp. There is an old Zen quote, "In emptiness is fullness."

This hits close to the mark, as far as our understanding of the interrelationship between what is and what might be considered as the Void. :idea:

THAT WHICH WAS BEFORE IS-NESS AND WILL STILL BE, WHEN ALL THAT IS, RETURNS BACK INTO THE VOID.



There is no self to which I cling, for I am one with everything.
 
Guyomech
#23 Posted : 1/8/2012 5:56:09 PM

DMT-Nexus member

Moderator | Skills: Oil painting, Acrylic painting, Digital and multimedia art, Trip integration

Posts: 2277
Joined: 22-Dec-2011
Last visit: 25-Apr-2016
Location: Hyperspace Studios
It may be helpful to interpret it from the angle of the Buddhist "clear light"- a total absence of personal thoughts or interpretations, leavin only the true reality.
 
Doodazzle
#24 Posted : 1/8/2012 6:20:52 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 793
Joined: 23-Oct-2011
Last visit: 22-Aug-2014
Location: arcady
amor_fati wrote:
Bedazzle wrote:
Da'ath. The place of initiation, of magick. http://www.halexandria.org/dward004.htm



I think this is perhaps a more appropriate association in that regard:
Quote:
Ein Sof (or Ayn Sof) (Hebrew אין סוף), in Kabbalah, is understood as God prior to His self-manifestation in the production of any spiritual Realm, probably derived from Ibn Gabirol's term, "the Endless One" (she-en lo tiklah). Ein Sof may be translated as "no end," "unending," "there is no end," or Infinite.

Ein Sof is the divine origin of all created existence, in contrast to the Ein (or Ayn), which is infinite no-thingness. It was first used by Azriel ben Menahem, who, sharing the Neoplatonic view that God can have no desire, thought, word, or action, emphasized by it the negation of any attribute. Of the Ein Sof, nothing ("Ein"Pleased can be grasped ("Sof"-limitation). It is the origin of the Ohr Ein Sof, the "Infinite Light" of paradoxical Divine self-knowledge, nullified within the Ein Sof prior to Creation. In Lurianic Kabbalah, the first act of Creation, the Tzimtzum self "withdrawal" of God to create an "empty space", takes place from there. In Hasidism, the Tzimtzum is only illusionary concealment of the Ohr Ein Sof, giving rise to Monistic Panentheism. Consequently, Hasidism focuses on the Atzmus Divine essence, rooted higher within the Godhead than the Ein Sof, which is limited to infinitude, and reflected in the essence (Etzem) of the Torah and the soul.






As I understood it, Ein SOph means 'without end'. The infinite.

It is also described as the mind of god before creation, as the source of the ten sephiroth.

Daath, of course is the hidden sepheroth. It has been described (variously of course) as a void, and abyss,between the uppermost sephera and the rest of the tree. It has also been described as an "all-one". As a wormhole leading to kether.

This is the abyss one must cross as part of the Great Work.

A fun House.

A perilous Chapel.


I've spent a good bit of time being into general Hermetiscism, but very little time interested in traditional Jewish Kabballah--honestly, I cannot comment with much intelligence on Ein Soph and whether or not that particuliar concept equates with the Void. Da'ath however, I can assert, has a long standing traditional of being equated with just that, the Void.

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Albert Einstein

I appreciate your perspective.


 
PREV12
 
Users browsing this forum
Guest (2)

DMT-Nexus theme created by The Traveler
This page was generated in 0.020 seconds.