would the glycerin and water keep LSH from decomposing? or could you just add some peppermint to the mix with some rose buds for a hint of flowery freshness!

Well, SWIM’s glycerin LSA tincture is over 1 year old and it works just as well as it did the day he made it. It’s kept on the shelf with the other herbal remedies in an amber bottle with a dropper top. No refrigeration is needed. It does have vitamin C added to it. That should protect the LSA from oxidation. The dark amber glass should protect the LSA from damaging light. It seems to be good enough. No potency loss after 1 year at room temperature, that’s pretty damn good if you ask me.

Hell yeah.

ILPT`s first experience was with heavenly blue(IPOMOEA VILOACEA) morning glory, where round 600ml of just boiled water been poured over 600 grinded seeds and 2 heaping teaspoons of grinded arabica coffee. Mixture in this glass jar have been stirred and let set about dozen times in course of 6 hours in dark. Strained, filtered,flavoured with bit of sugar,cooled down in chiller, split in two equal portion and DRANK!!!! There was significant nausea waves, when one needed to lay down on grass, loosen belt on trousers, deeply breath or hit hashish pipe. After hour nausea almost gone and in course of another half an hour there wasn`t sign of it. Instead the trip (similar to LSD one) sneakily came on.Very nice mental effects but less visuals then with Lsd so hash came handy. He didn`t vomit at all. He even consumed few lagers with no problems.
Ilpt later on realize fact that LSA gonna be sensitive to heat and never since done hot maceration/extraction, but never since have had such a strong pleasant trip from morning glory either.
Now he thinking could HIGH TEMPERATURE AND COFFEE TURN LSA TO SOMETHING ELSE Heard about the mint oil but how about coffee (grinded not the instant souble crap)???

Yeah and ILPT have had bad experience with grinded and capsuled HBWR and/or some other ipomoea!!!!
Trip was pretty weak very sleepy nausea last for six or more hours and ILPT couple of times vomit violently. Trip made him tired regardless decent dose of caffeine and a bit of taurine what was ingested together with seed powders in capsule.
It could be old stuff too, because these were commercial products Druid fantasy and some other one (can`t remember name)
Anyhow parrot will fly soon to pick up some of the fresh hawaian seeds and allow ILPT perform hot coffee experiment on them

The dreamer does not like HBWR seeds. There was tea made from 10 ground seeds (apparently-poisonous furry husks first removed) left to sit for a few hours in half a pint of lukewarm water with a drop of peppermint oil. This was shared with a female friend who is much smaller than he.

It was like having self-induced flu for the day... like poisoning oneself! Extreme lethargy, sick feeling, aching, frequent urination and thirst, unpleasant overpowering headrushes. It was boring and tedious and wasted the entire day. It was their first try orally so they didn't have much, and he's so glad they didn't have more. His girlfriend did have minor visuals like the floor appearing to move, but he had none. She seemed to be less uncomfortable than he was, but she was still uncomfortable. HBWR is not for him, and he is not surprised to hear that there is apparently no traditional use of these seeds! She said she would never have them again either.

A water & alcohol extraction of Morning Glory seeds as found on Erowid was a much more pleasurable experience. The dreamer thinks that HBWR are poisonous junk.

yes HBWR only made me feel kinda ill as well..

Heavenly blues morning glories though gave me a good strong 10 hour experience that was very visusal and mental.

Same story.
ILPT can feel psychedelic effects from fresh havenly blue morning glory with as little as 100 seeds.
250 seeds gave him decent lsd-like trip.

With HBWR even 15 seeds didn`t take him as far as 100 seeds from ipomoea and the side effects were much worse.

Have to say that seeds weren`t fresh original from Hawaii, but some bunky probably old stuff from madagascar or elsewhere

You can find bad reaction reports for ALL LSA containing seeds, not just HBWR.

SWIM extracts LSA solely from HBWR (the true Hawaiian strain). Its MUCH CHEAPER than using any other kind of seed.

If you’re not going to perform a real extraction, it’s better to use morning glories or ololiuqui.

Some HBWR, but not all, are high in toxins. No one knows exactly what the toxins are. Some say its oils present in the seeds. For that reason, a cold water extraction is said to be the best simple extraction method to use for the seeds.

Here’s how to perform a cold water extraction properly.

Grind a few doses of the seeds to a fine powder. Mix them into 1 cup of ice cold water (not water from the faucet, it must be ice code to start with) and let it sit in the refrigerator overnight. DO NOT ADD ACID OF ANY KIND. The next day, while ice cold, filter it through a cotton ball placed in a funnel (ABSOLUTELY DO NOT PRESS ANY WATER OUT OF THE COTTON AFTER DONE), and then filter through a coffee filter. Then drink (or use it to make LSH).

That method makes A BIG DIFFERENCE. Most people don’t like HBWR because they don’t perform a proper extraction on them.

If you use warm water or room temperature water, oils will come out of the ground seeds which are said to make you feel really sick.

Also when you filter through a cotton ball, this traps a lot of oils that came out of the seeds regardless of using ice cold water. DO NOT PRESS ANY WATER OUT OF THE COTTON BALL! This is where most people make a mistake. You don’t want any of the oils that get trapped in the cotton to come out. If you press the cotton, the oils will come out and this step will be useless.

The second filtration through a coffee filter gets rid of the small particles the cotton did not catch. You don’t want to swallow any particles at all. They will make you sick. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP.

Please don`t say that. Give the seeds another chance and try them sublingually http://www.dmt-nexus.me/....aspx?g=posts&t=6914 it`s very nice

one thing that helped SWIM with LSA nausea was to, not only remove the seed husks, but also to scrape the seeds! Keep scraping them, it will seem like nothing is happening but persist, until they start getting lighter peanut-like colour (just used an unscrapped seed as comparison after some minutes and you'll see).

SWIM tried max 7, just chewing them up and swallowing, and it did have some unpleasant effects (and some good also).. In any case LSA is quite down on his prefference list, he didnt like it very much. He is curious about the peppermint 'conversion', though, will try that out sometime

Seems like hard work, how exactly would one scrape them ?

well SWIM just used some straight edge knife from his pocket knife, maybe a metal nail file would work too, dont know.. it wasnt very hard work but it wasnt super easy either. Considering one only has to do for a small number of seeds, I guess for those that tend to have nausea problems with LSA its worth a try, at least it wont hurt

boiling the seeds gave a better trip you say?
and putting the extract in the sun is the traditional prep?
I think someone needs to try extracting with heat.
Maybe it would break down the toxins rather than trying to not extract them?
Could it have something to do with what's missing in these lsa/lsh extracts.

"unpleasant overpowering headrushes." Glad to hear someone else mention this effect.
I didn't know what was going on. Thought I was gunna puke and black out at the same time.
Than felt this cold release of chemicals? in my head. (defense mechanism?) that sobered me right up for awhile before it started to come back on.