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#21 Posted : 10/11/2011 3:41:56 AM

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People grow apart and it's completely normal. Time doesn't always mean you fall deeper in love, you can also fall deeper into resentment.
At the end of the day wouldn't you like to have someone that shares your same beliefs and goals? I know it's difficult to go from the safety and convenience of a relationship to being alone, I know this from personal experience. There is someone out there for you, and as hard as it may seem to part ways you will both be thankful for it in the long term.
It just takes time to realize these things in retrospect.

Like everyone else has said, follow your heart to happiness. There is no other person who's happiness you are responsible for except your own.
It sounds like you both are honestly looking for very different things. IMO to change who you are for someone is wrong, and to hope they change for you is wrong. There are compromises in relationships, of course, but that's completely different.

It sounds like her path has taken her in a different direction than yours has taken you. IMO again, if she has not been drawn or introduced to psychedelic experiences on her own I would not be the one to introduce her. My experience has been to let people open up to me about their spirituality first in causal conversation. Let it arise in causally, tell her about your own experiences, then based on her reaction ask if she would try them with you. If that's something you absolutely never talk about, then maybe it's something that she's just not interested in. I've had wonderful spiritual conversations about psy's with people who have never used them, so that says something there.

You should be able to be open about all the aspects of your life with someone if you plan on marrying them, and if you can't then that's a huge problem. I'm also not one to convince people about beliefs, I want people to live happily and if being a christian makes her happy then that's good. It's what works for her, that's fine. It may not work for you, and that's fine too.

I'm sure if you continue to pursue your passions you will find someone else with whom you will be more complete with. As for the job, I think it's obvious to do what makes you happy. Consider the idea that happy people live longer. Would you rather live longer being happy in a job that brings you joy, or die early from stress and resentment in a job that slowly drains you? You've only got but so many years on this planet, and so does this girl. Don't steal life from each other.

Follow your heart and not your culture-programmed mind, it won't lead you astray. <3

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Kronas
#22 Posted : 10/12/2011 1:13:37 AM

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Hyperspace Fool wrote:
Since the side of "be honest and tell her your secrets" has been adequately covered here, I will hit you with a little devilish advocacy.

You don't owe anyone anything when it comes to sharing yourself. You give of yourself freely and as a gift with no thought of recompense. Sharing a hidden side of yourself with someone as a kind of test is not any nicer than keeping things from her that she is not ready to deal with.

You didn't mention how long you have been dating, but even with soul mates, there are things about ourselves that the other will not ever completely comprehend. It can take many years for some parts to surface, and it is possible to have a great relationship with someone who doesn't share all of your hobbies, interests or opinions. Men rarely golf or play basketball with their wives for instance.

To be honest, she doesn't sound like the kind of girl who will immediately understand your love of entheogens. She is likely to be scared and respond in a knee-jerk fashion. Such people have been known to call for an intervention or even turn you in to the authorities. She might feel that you betrayed her by letting her give her precious virginity to a satan-spawn druggie like yourself.

Christians (and people who are still virgins in their mid 20's in general) tend to be somewhat irrational. The idea that you can be a Christian and a materialist is frankly ridiculous. It just shows a gullible and uncritical mind. The man who told his followers to give everything they had to the poor and follow him with only a single robe and a stick... HE wants you to be capitalist and chase the dollar? Sure.

That said, you are not married to this woman. You can surely have fun with her, do the things you enjoy doing together, share what you can share etc. Perhaps in time, she will grow into the kind of person that supports your goals. Maybe she will allow you to lead her astray from her deeply held beliefs... not likely, but stranger things have been known to happen. At the very least, you should get your fill of her Barbie body before you throw the relationship away. (the likely outcome of any heartfelt admission of being a junkie)

As for pursuing a medical career, it seems clear that you don't want that. It is a stifling and soul crushing path, no doubt. There is a reason why MD's have 20 year lower life expectancy than normal trans-fat chomping couch potatoes. Cigarette smokers outlive them by 10 years. Being a cigar smoking heroin junkie who eats fast food gives a longer life expectancy. And, doctors are supposed to know what is good for us, right?

Follow your heart amigo. No one can tell you what is right or wrong. You are still very young, and the idealism of youth imparts a seriousness that age will eventually destroy. Relationships are not eternal. Even if you marry your Christian Materialist Barbie, the odds that you will be divorced in under 10 years are quite high.

But if you do feel the need to rock your boat and bring up entheogens to your lady friend, perhaps you should try casually bringing up shamanic practices, ayahuasca churches like UDV and Santo Daime. See what her opinion is about DMT in such religious contexts, without the whole illegal drug user thing.

Just some thoughts. Hope it works out for you.


FTW, This made me laugh the entire time I read it. Good advice fool.

Purple Dye, I hope everything works out. Nature, Herbs, Non-Materialistic Nature loving / Entheogen using women ARE out there for you. Smile Jah Love Brother
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Pony On A Rainbow
#23 Posted : 10/12/2011 6:55:35 AM

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I can feel you on this one friend. When you reach a certain point in your intellect and spirituality, you'll see that most of society's doing doesn't make sense. Although it's understandable for a person to follow the herd, i find it liberating and exuberant to follow what i really want. Not what and how society wants me to be.

As for you, my advice is to be honest not only to the people you have deep connections with but also and most importantly to yourself. There's this lightness inside one's soul when you know you are doing what you think is right. There will be nothing behind it! It's pure and just. I suggest you listen to what your mind and body is telling you and go from there.

Decisions in life are well... decisions. But the good consequence of deciding is the experience. It's when you can look back and chuckle in retrospect. One shouldn't feel down if the choice doesn't go as planned. Life can be ironic but it's better than not being able to experience anything.

If you want to let your mate into your "real" world, i suggest you should know yourself first before explaining why you are doing what you are doing.

You will be alright man!
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kyrolima
#24 Posted : 10/12/2011 3:52:42 PM

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Quit your job, quit your girl. Don't be fooled by any sort of creativity towards your life! It's all a big joke, just to prevent you from being an ordinary human being with a life most of us would dream of.

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#25 Posted : 10/12/2011 4:39:59 PM
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I went through basically the exact same scenario very recently!

I had a beautiful, loving, wonderful girlfriend who was trying to go to pharmacy school (as her mom had). I've always been an activist, and she was apolitical--From the get go, I told her I didn't think it would work, due to that conflict. But, we kept seeing each other and soon I was so addicted to her that I begged her to stay with me despite what I said before. She had some kind of alluring and happy vibe that drove me crazy (she's never been depressed, I've suffered depression since age 12, partly due to reflecting on politics).

One day, before I started my student teaching at the local high school, I decided that I may as well brew some ayahuasca, because the way my life is going it looks like I won't have time for that stuff later on. I didn't expect much--I didn't believe it could possibly be true that any drug could allow you to see the entire universe at once. Suffice to say that ayahuasca was the most important experience I ever had. I remembered choosing to be born to my parents, and I remembered why I was born, which is to help others remember why *they* were born.

Of course I explained all of this to my girlfriend, but she was less than enthused. She liked going to clubs with her girlfriends and drinking, but psychedelics to her sounded really crazy.

At that point, I basically knew we would not last much longer. The breakup process took many months, because we loved each other so much. We still do (though she has a better matched bf now--he's in the Marines).

I've also just decided to quit my job as a pharm-tech. The guilt of giving out these awful drugs to people was too much. And the straw that broke was a couple of Xanax-addled dudes that came into McDonalds trying to start a fight with the cashier. They were out of their minds. They kept asking me if I took "Xanies." I told them to try some iboga rootbark... but that probably sounded like gibberish to them.

I definitely feel a calling to work in mental health, but even more than that, I want to find a way to create a self-supporting, holistic homeless shelter (which I would live in). My next, and hopefully last, girlfriend, will be someone who would love to live with and help homeless people. Or else I'll just stay single forever. Breaking up hurts me way too much.

P.S. I needed to correct this...:

Hyperspace Fool wrote:
There is a reason why MD's have 20 year lower life expectancy than normal trans-fat chomping couch potatoes. Cigarette smokers outlive them by 10 years. Being a cigar smoking heroin junkie who eats fast food gives a longer life expectancy. And, doctors are supposed to know what is good for us, right?



(quoted from: http://forums.studentdoc.../index.php/t-367429.html):
It's a myth.


Maverick veterinarian Joel Wallach is selling video and audio tapes titled Dead Doctors Don't Lie! proclaiming that physicians have a life expectancy of only 58 years. This sends the message that doctors are so wrongheaded that they themselves live significantly shorter lives than the general population.

It is not clear where Wallach gets his data, but it is a lie. Physicians have long had life expectancies that are longer than the general population. Goodman [1] reviewed reports on physician life expectancies in 1925, 1938-42, 1949-51, and 1971. His study covered the 1971 population of 344,823 physicians, and the deaths of 19,086 from 1969 through 1973. He found that both male and female physicians had greater life expectancy than the general population.

The American Medical Association's Center For Health Care Policy published data on the life expectancies of U.S. medical graduate physicians by specialty in 1988. [2] It showed that the life expectancy of physicians is somewhere between 75 and 88, depending upon the age and gender that one chooses.

Source: http://www.ncahf.org/nl/1996/3-4.html

Click here (http://www.vet-task-force.com/Wallach.htm) for more info.
 
Hyperspace Fool
#26 Posted : 10/12/2011 5:14:58 PM

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moyshekapoyre wrote:

P.S. I needed to correct this...:

Hyperspace Fool wrote:
There is a reason why MD's have 20 year lower life expectancy than normal trans-fat chomping couch potatoes. Cigarette smokers outlive them by 10 years. Being a cigar smoking heroin junkie who eats fast food gives a longer life expectancy. And, doctors are supposed to know what is good for us, right?



(quoted from: http://forums.studentdoc.../index.php/t-367429.html):
It's a myth.



No offense, but a blog on a student doctor website is not a proof. Wallach is not the only source for the doctors die young meme. It is true in countries all over the world, I'm afraid.

Even on your student doctor blog, there is this rebutal to the post you quote:

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Apparently physicians DO have a somewhat shorter life expectancy when compared to similar socio-economic groups. :confused: They are quite aware of healthy lifestyles. I don't know...do they live by the motto, "do as I say, not as I do?"


Based on the concept that a higher socio-economic status should confer more years of life expectancy, and doctors make good money on average... they die cosiderably younger than their non-doctor counterparts. Call it stress. Not sleeping during med school. Prescribing themselves drugs... who knows. I have read that the MCAT's take 3-5 years off your life by themselves.

I have known a dozen doctors very very well. Even lived with 2 of them. They all died in their late 50's and early 60's... except the ones that are still young, and they are pretty unhealthy for the most part.

There are thousands of sites that claim the 58 year life expectancy of US MDs. Here is one I picked at random.

Even if that isn't the case, there are hundreds more that claim 70 year life expectancy for doctors (male & female). US life expectancy for males is up around 79 now, and significantly higher for women.

For instance:

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According to Kevin Kenward of the American Medical Association: 'Based on over 210,000 records of deceased physicians, our data indicate the average life-span of a physician is 70.8 years.'


That is the AMA!!

I haven't seen a single website claiming that US doctors live longer than the average.


Google it my friend.
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