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gibran2 wrote:It’s easy to think that NOW is the time when change is right around the corner, because… it is! And what you don’t seem to see (and it’s very understandable), is that people of every generation, for quite some time, have felt exactly the same way. The fact is, change is ALWAYS right around the corner. That’s the nature of existence.
You think earthquakes and natural disasters are saying something about the environment now? Imagine how residents in Pompeii felt in August of 79 AD. Imagine how any group felt during prolonged droughts and famines.
You think there’s political unrest now? Imagine how most non-German Europeans felt in 1938 as Nazi rhetoric was manifesting into action. Look at the civil rights movement in America in the late 1960’s. Who wouldn’t think that revolutionary change wasn’t right around the corner?
Look at almost any time in human history and you’ll find turbulence, war, environmental disasters, extinctions, famines, revolutions. And I’m sure that the people who were living through all of that felt just as you do – that change has happened before, but this time is different.
And it is different this time. But do you know why? It’s different for us this time because we’re the one’s experiencing it. We’re the ones who are living through it.
This post gets +5 for insightfulness. Very well stated IMHO. And this doesn't mean problems aren't real because they are. It just means that they are our problems. We will either solve them or not just like prior generations. If your religion, faith, devotion, or self proclaimed spirituality is not directly leading to an increase in kindness, empathy, compassion and tolerance for others then you have been misled.
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I enjoyed the podcasts! Very insightful, and thought-provoking. I agree, these problems are real. Yes, I agree, the solutions seem to be no where in sight, but I believe it to be as simple as making deeper connections in everyday life -- between family and friends, the ascendency of Truth and Wisdom, over Ignorance and Injustice, and a stronger bond with Nature. I believe this to be happening, slowly but surely. What comes next, who knows? Dimensional shift? Conscious transformation? Release from matter into the Unmanifested? Nothing? I guess my point is, it doesn't really matter what happens, these ideals could do the world a lot of good either way, if they were to be widely accepted...I believe tryptamines and the such seem to promote these ideas as well, and they are a wonderful engine to do so! "The search for Truth is the Greatest, if not, most Sensible form of Rebellion."
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tobecomeone00 wrote: You guys are just being negative, instead of helping me establish my point in a better way (its not perfect, by far), you guys just like to point out where I fucked up...where's the positivity? Where's the Love? Quote:The time is near, as you can all feel I am sure...We are shifting into a new reality, and these signs are all around us. Not only deeply rooted in our everyday lives, traveling through connections with others, but also within the Earth's atmosphere. You can see this in the nonstop tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, typhoons, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, riots, and political corruption all over the news and the world. The OCEAN is facing EXTINCTION....Here's an example: Where's the positivity in this? I don't think anyone was arguing that radical change isn't coming, simply that you're dressing it in fearful certitude. This has little to do with egos. I don't know what you're getting at when you mention "instead of helping me establish my point in a better way...you guys just like to point out where I fucked up". When I pointed out the certainty issue, this was to help you try to establish your point in a better way: One that had a hint of doubt it in it such as, "because of all these things, I believe that there's a good chance that such and such will happen." Statements like that will set off much less alarms and whistles from everyone than declarative statements. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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Dude, are you really taking the time to copy and paste my quotes? Does my statement really irk you that much? If so, I'm sorry you must trans-fix yourself with such trivial little things...=D......and if I sound like a dick, its cuz a couple of you don't know when to stop...just go with the flow, bro, I know you are entitled to your own opinion, but if my ideas anger you, don't bother reading them, I'd hate to be the cause of any discontent, ya know?... "The search for Truth is the Greatest, if not, most Sensible form of Rebellion."
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Your ideas don't anger me, but your tone does. You may think these details are trivial, but I don't, so please don't patronize me. If I feel the need to quote you, it's to make my point explicit and it's common practice. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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Alright, bud. Thanks for your input. "The search for Truth is the Greatest, if not, most Sensible form of Rebellion."
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gibran2 wrote:It’s easy to think that NOW is the time when change is right around the corner, because… it is! And what you don’t seem to see (and it’s very understandable), is that people of every generation, for quite some time, have felt exactly the same way. The fact is, change is ALWAYS right around the corner. That’s the nature of existence.
Well, yes you have a point gibran and I agree. That said it is sort of hard to deny the reality of what is going on. Never ever in our known history has humanity faced the sort of challenges we face today. We have become a global culture and so our problems now exist on a global scale. 500 years ago people had problems to face that seemed large, but they were not on a planetary level. Only in the current industrial age have we faced the sort of environmental devistation and species extinctions on a global level that are taking place as we speak. That is not something that is to be shrugged off at all. The destruction of the amazon rainforest alone for example is on a level never ever concieved by previous generations..our problems now are those that could potentially make life for our grandchildren practically impossible. You can choose to apply esoteric meanings to all this or choose not to..that is not really the point at all. We should at least be able to focus on and acknowledge the gigantic problems that we do face though. Every generation has it's challenges..ours are just a little(or alot) more dire than generations that came before. So, yeah I agree there have always been problems, wars, natural disasters etc..but that does not in any way mean the times we are currently in are the norm. We live in a crazy time of complete novelty. Technology advances faster and faster when a few hundred years ago virtually none of what makes this culture what it is could have even been concieved. It is perfectly natural, but I dont think it is "normal" by the standards of our recorded history. Long live the unwoke.
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@tobecomeone00: I won't go into great detail about my research, beliefs, feelings, and observations because I believe they are beyond the scope or purpose of this forum, as well as forbidden for discussion in some aspects, I will at least say that I know where you are coming from and I tend to agree. Other members have made some valid points, especially in regards to the many generations before us, but I also believe there are some strong factors that separate this generation from all generations preceding us. There are capabilities, technologies, and factors involved now that have never been involved before. There are significant occurrences, dates, and even prophetic signs that, while some should be taken with a grain of salt, others beg to be recognized. I don't intend to get too far into an open discussion on the details, because again, I don't think that's what this particular forum is for. I just wanted to express that I see some of what you're seeing. "'Tis true, without falsehood, certain and most true.
That which is below is as that which is above, and that which is above is as that which is below, to accomplish the miracle of the One thing.
And as all things have arisen from one by the meditation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation.
The Sun is its father, the Moon its mother,
the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nurse."
-Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus
All posts by the above author, HermeticShaman are fictional segments of a fictional fantasy book about fictional psychedelic journeys and travels to fantasy lands of wonder and imagination. Any resemblance to real events, intentions, conspiracy to commit illegal activities, or confessions of illegal activity are merely a convincing way to build up an epic plot line, and in no way represent the lifestyle or actions of the man behind the name.
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HermeticShaman wrote:...I also believe there are some strong factors that separate this generation from all generations preceding us. There are capabilities, technologies, and factors involved now that have never been involved before. There are significant occurrences, dates, and even prophetic signs that, while some should be taken with a grain of salt, others beg to be recognized.
Tell me when in history these statements were not valid. EDIT: To conform to benzyme's broad definition of "history" --- "Tell me when in human history among human civilizations with language, writing, and tools, going back 5000 years, these statements were not valid." gibran2 is a fictional character. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental.
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the days before the development of language and writing, and the development of tools. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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benzyme wrote:the days before the development of language and writing, and the development of tools. That's pre-history. (And because those times are pre-historical, we can't say much about how people related to the world and events during those times.) gibran2 is a fictional character. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental.
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perhaps you meant recorded history, because history can technically refer to any time period of the planet's existence; it usually refers to the time of man's existence. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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benzyme wrote:perhaps you meant recorded history, because history can technically refer to any time period of the planet's existence; it usually refers to the time of man's existence. Why are responding this way? Does it make you happy?  gibran2 is a fictional character. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental.
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no because we don't really know what was going on in 'historical times'; there has obviously been a lot of misinterpretation of ancient writings, and who knows how they percieved things before they developed a system of written communication "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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benzyme wrote:no
because we don't really know what was going on in 'historical times'; there has obviously
been a lot of misinterpretation of ancient writings, and who knows how they percieved things before they developed a system of written communication I edited post #29. I suggest you read it. Happy NOW? I don’t want to derail this and turn it into a “benzyme’s ego vs. gibran’s ego” thread, so this is my last post in this thread. gibran2 is a fictional character. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental.
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yea, that's the good stuff awwww c'mon...you know you enjoy getting into semantics debates. ok. what we agreeably observe: history seems to repeat itself, and the entropy of 'the now' is relative to as it has always been (recorded). "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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