That would have to be tested to prove it one way or the other. Until it is, both our views are just speculation. Unfortunately, this particular scenario is by nature impossible to test...

UNLESS, the device recorded which slit the electron passed through and then erased the data automatically moments later without any method for a human to ever know the recorded data. That would satisfy me.


Is it? I admit I have no knowledge of the nature of the detecting device. I assume, though, that it is a recording device that in some way works like an eye or camera or video recorder, receiving information from reflected light but not emitting any sort of force. Do you have a reference that shows otherwise? To me, a recording device is nothing like a stick. A video camera or voice recorder both do not act in the same way as the stick in your example. They do not affect the item they record. The item they record affects them.

i love this point you bring up, where is the line between instinct and ‘intelligence/consciousness’ it almost seems to me at this point that instincts are almost on a higher or deeper level than just regular consciousness and/or ego, the laws of nature and the things that can be scientifically manipulated, maybe these plants are ingested they really are trying to manipulate through us in a deeper way than we could have imagined, or even have yet to imagine. i can’t stand it when people pose the opinion that plants don’t have a mind or something like it, where then does this intelligent intuitive information come from? sure it can be all talked away and swept under the rug but thats not going to change that fact that we don't know is the arguement you have to have a brain to have a mind? its all hear say as far as i’m concerned, because i’ve never experienced anything as strong as you here speak of with entheogens but i do tend to trip on weed, i find this interesting.. and trees have always held a strong significance for me, by the way' very interesting out of body experiences..





link?

Yep, instruments that detect subatomic particles necessarily disturb the particle (think Heisenberg uncertainty principle). In fact, experiments presented in the following two papers have shown that instruments which disturb the particles to a smaller extent (while still determining which slit they pass through) disrupt the wave-interference pattern to a lesser extent than traditional means of detection:

P. Mittelstaedt, A. Prieur, R. Schieder (1987). "Unsharp particle-wave duality in a photon split-beam experiment" Foundations of Physics 17(9): 891–903.

D.M. Greenberger and A. Yasin (1988). "Simultaneous wave and particle knowledge in a neutron interferometer" Physics Letters A 128: 391-394.





https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=11254 (from posts #19-33... some of burnt's posts contain relevant points as well... in retrospect, it doesn't address the conscious observer point so much as the consciousness-causes-wavefunction-collapse theory that so often goes hand in hand with it)

Ive has a few experiences that verified the existance of "soul" for me. Nothing like what most would define it though..less of an individual soul and more of a collective one..not to say there are not individual counterparts as well, though what I got out of it was that it's more a fractalization of the oversoul.

I dont really find that it is something that I feel the need to validate scientifically, though Rupert Sheldrakes theories surprisingly fit quite well with one particualr ayahuasca experience I had.

When I talk about a collective soul one could instead call it the intelligence behind nature or evolution etc..imagine it as a field containing a memory of all things that came before. Everything that comes after is a more complex, and compressed version of what came before. Nothing is really lost and all information is saved..everything moves ahead.

Do you have a link that doesn't require us to purchase a copy? I'm all for looking into this, but preferably for free.