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would a batch of LSD change the world again? Options
 
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#21 Posted : 3/25/2010 8:01:30 PM

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To put it simply: No.

Mild Expansion: Naive question, but good food for thought.

Thoughts of this Middle-Aged Stoner:

There were so many more factors catalyzing that part of history than just Sandoz LSD. As we have today, an unpopular war, but with a DRAFT. Various civil rights' revolutions. Various technologies such as oral contraception.

The social and cultural revolutions witnessed during the 60's & 70's did not stem from a select in-group dosing in the 50's and all of youth trying to dose in the 60's & 70's. Sandoz acid was one of many important factors. I honestly think the main thing was what happened in the Western world after World War II ended. The men came back from the war and knew that home and family were most important. The women had been working in the factories and not all were ready to return to the kitchen. People started having access to technology, (including information) and materialism like never before. People started having babies like never before. 20 years after WWII ended, it is 1965 and those Baby-Boomers are in their early to late teen years . . .

1965 . . . the same year the US's involvement in Vietnam really cranked up in earnest. Now, the draft from WWII had never been dropped. But, in 1969 the brutal lottery system was instituted and people like YOU (if you are male & you probably are if you are reading this) were getting letters saying you HAD to go to a country you couldn't point to on a map and risk your life trying to kill people you didn't know for a cause you didn't support.

So, uparalleled levels of materialism, births, education/information and technology (birth control pills, psychedelics, the space program, etc.) set young minds afire and made them hunger for youthful adventure. Meanwhile, there's that fucking draft letter if you are male, that fucking high school counselor trying to cop a feel of your newly developed tit and laughing when you say you want to be a chemist if you are female, war without end being brutally shown without editing on nightly TV, and your parents and the overall society saying in no uncertain words that you must plug into the values and dress of the WWII generation.

I think a collective WHAT THE FUCK!!?!! kind of phenomenon happened in the collective unconscious, across the morphic fields of youth, whatever. Now it is mid to late 1960's and young people are beginning to hear about reefer, LSD and perhaps other paths to mind expansion. The young people try it, as young people frequently like to try things defined as dangerous by overall society. LSD works its magic.

Now, the stage had ALREADY BEEN set. Many, many other factors had acted as catalyzers. The LSD was more like taking a small but growing fire and dropping a huge load of napalm on it. Direct and powerful fuel for something that had been catalyzed previously. Remember that in the 50's and early 60's only very select groups of scientists, artists, Hollywood types and rich psychoanalysis patients had access to LSD.

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#22 Posted : 3/25/2010 11:24:29 PM

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Would a batch of LSD change the world again?

Let us see if it will. If you have massive amounts of LSD (I doubt anyone here actually does or they wouldn’t be posting here out of fear of getting caught), why not give it away for free all around the world and see what happens. Do it, and see.

Debating it until the end of time will not answer the question. No one is so intelligent that they know exactly what would happen.

When the military tested LSD as a chemical of war, they found that reactions were very unpredictable so they lost interest in it. I doubt anyone here can predict the outcome.

For sure something will change, but what? Will it even be noticed? The only way to know is to give it a try. Give tons of sheets of acid away for free all over the world and see what it does.

(I am not supported this action, I'm just saying this for the sake of argument.)
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#23 Posted : 3/25/2010 11:33:56 PM

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i seriously doubt it.

we're in the thick of the information age, people are too hardwired into the internet and tv; already too self-absorbed to care about something more, something intangible.
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#24 Posted : 3/26/2010 12:08:31 AM

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I think it's silly to debate this. LSD changed SWIM's life, and continues doing this to others. It all depends on who is changed by it. If the president was changed by it and several in congress, you would see changes happen. There is no doubt about that. But what kind of changes? No one will know until you try it. Debating this is silly and goes nowhere. No one knows until you go do it. Some people are not changed by LSD, others are. SWIM was one who was dramatically changed by it. That change had nothing to do with other people, the time period, or anything else.
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#25 Posted : 3/26/2010 12:15:31 AM

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but you'd have to be receptive to whatever change it is you perceive.
not everyone would be

and some people aren't even effected by LSD. i've known people who had no reaction to it whatsoever
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#26 Posted : 3/26/2010 12:15:44 AM

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The world does not need more LSD or any other entheogens. It is available to everyone who knows where to look. Why should people that don't feel they should use it, use it? What the world needs, is to appreciate love. We need to love each other, not fight each other with greed. This can only happen by acting as great examples for the rest of humanity to follow.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
 
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#27 Posted : 3/26/2010 12:20:05 AM

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Evening Glory, a lot of people have no idea what LSD is. My wife didn't know until she met me. None of her family has any idea what it is.

In order for it to be successful in changing the world, it needs to be given to the right people.

If you got all the leaders of the world together and they willingly took LSD together, it would change the entire world. I'm 100% sure of that.

Everything you do changes the world forever. If I stick my finger in the ocean, it makes a ripple that effects the entire ocean.
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#28 Posted : 3/26/2010 12:26:57 AM

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I sincerely believe that these plants and substances come to you when you are ready for them or need them. Some might not be ready for them in their whole life. Entheogens are not for everybody! While I do not want to claim that me, you or any other member here is somewhat better than people who do not use entheogens, it is beyond any doubt that some people take damage of entheogens.

I myself have several friends that have used entheogens and gained nothing but negative effects, both persons that has used it responsibly and irresponsibly. Some of them even deep psychosis lasting several weeks and months. Most of them have gained a lot of positive elements, though. Entheogens are for sure a great thing for everyone it suits, but that is not everyone.

What I mean to say, is that we should be careful with thinking that LSD or any other entheogen is the one and only key. It may play a role, maybe a big role, but it will not be the sole reason for a new and better world. The only thing that for sure can change all the world, the only thing that suits everyone, is to understand and appreciate love. Love is the one and only key.
 
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#29 Posted : 3/26/2010 3:15:54 AM

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69ron wrote:
Evening Glory, a lot of people have no idea what LSD is. My wife didn't know until she met me. None of her family has any idea what it is.

In order for it to be successful in changing the world, it needs to be given to the right people.

If you got all the leaders of the world together and they willingly took LSD together, it would change the entire world. I'm 100% sure of that.

Everything you do changes the world forever. If I stick my finger in the ocean, it makes a ripple that effects the entire ocean.


bingo. every action we do has a VERY long chain of events that follow, most people just stop following the chain of events when they realize that they cant make money or get pussy or get fucked up by simply understanding. hardly anyone truly cares about enlightenment, they are like rats living in a cage their whole life, then one day they escape and are just blown away by the world that has actually been there the whole time, but they are blind to it. except most people never escape from their cage. LSD was my first psychedelic experience (only got to do it once). it was also my best. i honestly believe that i discovered my purpose in life while on acid. i discovered what it means to love someone, and to be loved, among other things. i think i actually learned more in that one LSD experience than i have in my 50+ Spice journeys as well as my entire life leading up to that point.
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69ron wrote:
Evening Glory, a lot of people have no idea what LSD is. My wife didn't know until she met me. None of her family has any idea what it is.

In order for it to be successful in changing the world, it needs to be given to the right people.

If you got all the leaders of the world together and they willingly took LSD together, it would change the entire world. I'm 100% sure of that.

Everything you do changes the world forever. If I stick my finger in the ocean, it makes a ripple that effects the entire ocean.


bingo. every action we do has a VERY long chain of events that follow, most people just stop following the chain of events when they realize that they cant make money or get pussy or get fucked up by simply understanding. hardly anyone truly cares about enlightenment, they are like rats living in a cage their whole life, then one day they escape and are just blown away by the world that has actually been there the whole time, but they are blind to it. except most people never escape from their cage. LSD was my first psychedelic experience (only got to do it once). it was also my best. i honestly believe that i discovered my purpose in life while on acid. i discovered what it means to love someone, and to be loved, among other things. i think i actually learned more in that one LSD experience than i have in my 50+ Spice journeys as well as my entire life leading up to that point.


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LSD is wonderful. I think that it has the ability to change destiny, more than just cognition, perception or values.
In my little experience (around 15 times) it feels like if the dice of destiny is thrown and it affects very much ordinary reality... events, circumstances... dreams.

Metaphorically speaking... I would say that thing is alive.

And yes I think it would change the world... I think it is changing it now.

EDIT: For me, now LSD is not about the trip or the effects or the feelings... I tend to use it for "synchronicity adventures".
Those adventures and some of the social consequences it brings to my life last about 3 to 4 months... with life altering impact.

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I agree. and if the whole world did it, we'd be in a better place then we are now that's for sure. What can you lose? you're not gonna die.
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#33 Posted : 3/26/2010 4:21:24 AM

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clouds wrote:
In my little experience (around 15 times) it feels like if the dice of destiny is thrown and it affects very much ordinary reality... events, circumstances... dreams.


As crazy as that sounds, I believe that is very much true. I don't know how it does it, but it does. It doesn’t make sense with our current model of how reality works, but LSD does that somehow.

I don't want to get into a debate about this. All the skeptics will raise hell after seeing that I agree with that. They'll want proof and all.

Before you argue with me about this. There is NO PROOF. And no, I don’t want to argue about it. This is SWIM's observation and nothing more than that.
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#34 Posted : 3/26/2010 4:23:42 AM

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I noticed this the first time I took LSD(only took it 3 times)..everything lined up that day..it was like god was throwing me line after line..
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I get chills thinking about it. It makes NO LOGICAL sense, but nevertheless many people have noticed it.
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shoe wrote:
The LSD made by sandoz in the 50's catalysed a social, sexual and spiritual revolution in the 60's, with echoes carrying through to the 70s and 80s.

I would like your opinion on whether a batch of LSD (100,000 hits for example) released into the UK would significantly change it or catalyse some sort of new revolution?

does anyone have any accurate figures on how much of this we consume and when? whats the score? need info

Thankyou everyone.


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69ron wrote:
clouds wrote:
In my little experience (around 15 times) it feels like if the dice of destiny is thrown and it affects very much ordinary reality... events, circumstances... dreams.


As crazy as that sounds, I believe that is very much true. I don't know how it does it, but it does. It doesn’t make sense with our current model of how reality works, but LSD does that somehow.

I don't want to get into a debate about this. All the skeptics will raise hell after seeing that I agree with that. They'll want proof and all.

Before you argue with me about this. There is NO PROOF. And no, I don’t want to argue about it. This is SWIM's observation and nothing more than that.


I know what you mean. wow that's scary...
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I also know this lol, its amazing.. The amount of weird stuff and synchronicities and connections of events under when under the effects of acid is quite mind-boggling and well beyond statistical significance limits in my experience Very happy
 
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In terms of time; it seems that somehow the conducting element transcends time itself. Some of you may have noticed that even before hand, and certainly afterwards time is affected. Now, the former would be harder to substantiate simply because for one, it is hard to differentiate between suspense and genuine traveling backwards energies; and two, because, what if you felt those energies, and then decided not to take it just to prove that it wasn't the energy traveling backwards in time but was the suspense and therefore wasn't real. Am I losing my mind here or is someone with me on this; and could you elaborate on the third dimension of time that is opened up...:idea:
 
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