Yep, I've only seen the term used here in reference to dealers at festivals until only very recently. "Spice" is an endearing term for most and a fitting one on many levels.



Very nice. This is very much in line with Castaneda's Don Juan in his use of the terms "teacher" and "power" to differentiate between types of entheogens.



Neither DMT, nor it's counterparts should be taken lightly. While the usage in "Dune" isn't precisely accurate (and largely unrelated on most accounts), it does convey the vast scope and magnitude of these substances.

ill just keep calling it jimjam

Fuck is probably the most expressive and adaptable word in the english language. Morals and ethics are relative, so that means what ever one feels is a curse word would be relative too.

yes, yes
a veritable fuckall

I also don't like it. Urbandictionary says:



I also noticed the term "Let's go DIGITAL" or "I went digital after smoking deem"

Let'S talk about it in this thread:

http://www.dmt-nexus.me/...aspx?g=posts&t=10022

sounds like the types who use it just to get "fucked up"

where is that above quote from obliguhl?

Looks like it's from Urbandictionary (see above the quote).

Pokey

I agree with this word having the wrong connotation etc. Urbandictionary is generally very tongue in cheek though, don't read too much into the definitions from it!!

I have/had a friend with benefits who refers to a changa or spiced out joint as a "deemster" and has some other "deem" based slang for a pipe experience. Regardless of the usage, I cringe every time I hear her say it...man does it ruin the mood. It just sounds bad...I feel like the term is indicative of a values structure that is very "other" to how I feel about DMT. I dunno, it isn't THE reason I hang out with her less and less, but it definitely played a part...like I said, i think it's indicative of a different mind set (and given her drugs of choice I have no doubts in this particular example).

Whenever I hear the word deem, or deemsters, I automatically get the urge to hurt someone, and I don't want to do that!

Stupid names!

Sorry to barge in as a relative newcomer here- I hope my two cents do not offend. Just wanted to point out that the term TEK has been used for years as an acronym for Traditional Entheogenic Knowledge. It seems to be a common misunderstanding that it refers to technique or technology, two terms which I feel do not reflect the true value of these bits of wisdom.

For what it's worth, I am also uncomfortable with the term 'deemsters' and its derivatives. In my mind, this slang is disrespectful to the magic and to our community as it unnecessarily denigrates the meaning of the experience. I feel its usage is akin to calling your God Yo-Yo-Yahweh (if you buy into Judeo-Christian mythology). It's simply not appropriate from my perspective. Just one man's opinion...

Much love to all.

-JM

awesome first post
was not aware that was the meaning of tek.

learn something new every day

I was at an administration of medication training through my work a few weeks ago and the guy said the difference between drugs and medicine is medicine is prescribed and drugs are abused, I disagreed because the medicines prescribed are still drugs right? Strange one

And yes I agree with most folks the term deem is crap, it does give the vibe of some party drug, like ecstasy tablets being called ekkys, smarties etc. Spice doesnt seem to have that connotation but maybe thats because were used to that term.

The first time I heard the term Deemer was when I was introduced to my buddy's ganja dealer. He got all excited when he found out I had some and he said, "oh, man can you hook me up?! My brother is a Deemer, and he never seems to have any for me!" He continued to ramble on saying Deemer this and Deemer that, and it took me a minute to make the connection. I immediately felt sort of insulted by the word without even thinking. I told him," What? Deemer? No, call it elf spice or spice because of Terrence Mckenna or just DMT. You don't understand what you're referring to." I then went on to explain the history of its use in Ayahuasca, and helped him understand the profoundness of DMT by sending him to hyperspace. His eyes were like this when he came back.

Spice should be respected and treasured, I don't think deemster is an appropriate or respectful name for such a precious entheogen. I'm sad to see this slang being used to represent Spice...


Much Peace and Rainbows

Definitely. Not only is it an aesthetically repulsive term, but its most common context is in its trade or its most casual recreational use.

overwhelming majority sentiment against these terms

anyone posting them should be called out for being a n00b!
(to dmt, not meant as a derogatory term for new members. some are actually quite knowledgeable and fit in well with the warm nexus community)

well said benzyme

Do we have another word for changa that is used to differentiate between MAOI-enhanced-leaf + plain enhanced leaf?

I heard the word "deemster" once when a guy was talking about buying it at burning man. Hearing stories about bought or sold spice makes me sad.

When I came here (since I've been at the Aya forums for so long ), to use the word "spice" even felt inappropriate for my personal usage. I understand the respectful connotations it has here, and I never judged or disagreed with its usage, it just felt inappropriate FOR ME.

Though, I had no idea it was from Dune! I watched it and played the computer games when I was a kid... time to revisit!!

Also, I have adapted "spice" occasionally for rapidity of communication (though DMT is shorter... um?).

I prefer "the light"/sacrament...

"Elf spice" just represents the amazing journeys and poetic speech of Terrence McKenna to me, and connotes amazing worlds.

"Jimjam"... makes me think of Jorkest. If I said "jimjam," it would be obvious that I was just trying to be as cool as Jorkest, which isn't possible. (I love you, Jorkest!!)

Anyway, "deem" and derivatives just feels disrespectful.

Due to an entheogenic relationship with cannabis, I don't ever say "pot," either.

It was a wise, but rigorous initial conditioning from the Aya forums that really impacts me...

I also like Dimitri... (maybe in longing for my invisible/nonexistant Aya brewing boyfriend in another dimension)