Try 50g at first - one should be able to do it in a quart sized jar. A mini fridge probably wont get cold enough for a freeze precip. Evaporate and recrystalize.

aah, but the freezer freezes water fine :[ What is VM+P Naptha? Like seriously, I walked around wal-mart shopping for the materials, and I'm trying to find it. I was thinking VM+P was a brand or something. I found the lighter fluid and it says 'contains naptha', but the guide said not to use it. Do the jars have to have screw on lids on them? There were some jars I saw that had these lids that you just press in and you pop em off, you basically just pull and push the lids off. They seem tight Also, where can I get non-sudsy ammonia at, I'm thinking about looking for the ammonia at Lowes tommorow, since I need to get the lye anyway(isn't it the lowes drain cleaner?) You also have a separatory funnel and eye drops on that list the only separating I read about is the naptha from the bark liquid. Can't you separate that with a pipette or turkey baster?? and what's the eye dropper for? It says to leave the jars in the freezer overnight, how would this translate to hours if the extraction was done during the day? Sorry bout all these questions, just some that came to me while I was shopping today By the way I wasn't sure what you meant by evaporate and recrystallize thanks

Keep reading for awhile.

kholdstare121 it seems i am doing your homework for ya but heres some help Lowes - you mentioned it, go there and get out of wal-mart go to the paint section. ask them where the naptha is- its a paint thiner product it will be in a blue square tin buy it . While your there you might want to get some xylene which will be in that section as well and you can do different pulls after you do the naptha one (see RED SPICE or Jungle Spice threads, search forum) as far as jars simple canning jars can be bot at a local food store, ask them for jars for making jelly they are not expensive but i am sure many substitues will work but this just seems to be the most common. as for the non ammonia- you dont need this- skip this step it smells bad and can draw unwanted attention to your place of residence. hope it helps ........ EDITED FOR SAFTY = ) PrOtAgErUs

I don't think I want to do a jungle spice pull, as the experience from it might be too intense? I read somewhere that recrystalization is more work than it's worth unless you're doing a big extraction. But I'll read up more on it like Noman said. Thanks for the response

[quote:1f31c3ce76="PrOtAgErUs"]just read some of the recrystaling threads, you can do this with a shot glass and a lighter and some patiencePrOtAgErUs[/quote:1f31c3ce76] A LIGHTER? Are you insane? NEVER use an open flame to heat these solvents. Carry on.

kholdstare121 I believe your correct, its just un needed work for ya at this point. But over time you will soon see, you will want to maximize your time and yeild, and supplies. but its totally not needed. The Recrystalization does help in handling the spice tho. you will soon see its super airy and hard to handle, but works none the less and if this is your bottom line your good to go.

Well, SWIM is going to try the extraction now. He's not using distilled water though, just tap. He doesn't think it'll be a problem

Good luck. Dont throw anything away.

well SWIM has three jars in the freezer now(just put the third jar in) and hes doing his fourth and last naptha pull. It says to leave this pull in the freezer for 2 days, so he'll check on this one then. The first jar so far has a lot of white crystal looking things sticking to the side of the jar and floating in the liquid. He's hoping this is the DMT and not some other substance(though hes sure it is since he followed the directions) The second jar doesn't have a lot of crystals at all, but a few stuck to the side of the jar. Hes thinking to check the first three tomorrow evening..though hes hesitating whether to leave them in there longer than that. He wants the most spice he can get, unless almost a day is enough time to get all the spice(the tut says overnight)

Ok swim has acquired everything aside from a mixing vessel and a separating device, probably try to find a glass turkey baster or a large eye dropper. For the vessel swim plans to use hdpe .5 gallon milk jugs. Swim plans to fill one with ph 14 water and another with a good amount of solvent, and will leave for a few days in a thick tub in the garage, he wants to be sure they do not melt or whatnot. Swim will also do a solvent with basic aqueous shake so he has an idea of what sort of pressure he will face. Swim can always acquire more unrefined wormspice, the vessel of base is where he wants to be most precarious. Swim is conflicted about the amount of water one should use and how much unrefined prepowdered wormspice per vessel. Swim would like to know if the 15ml of water is sufficient, should swim double it, is that excessive? Swim is starting with 224 grams of his wormspice, it is prepowdered. One container should hold 1.7 liters, leaving a little room for solvent. This would mean using more than 3 jugs. Which is not a problem at all, Swim does not want to end up with an emulsion goop that will not separate. Any thoughts on numbers. As far as the NaOH, new meter Swim is all to willing to play with it. Swim plans to use tapwater before the filter, swim has a well in a limestone table, and figures since he is going strait to base why not start with that. Swim has tested the water, whopping 8.4, the pipes are brand new. Swim plans to make basic water, 13.6, in a separate vessel, then another as far as it will go. Swim will add the unrefined wormspice to the extraction vessel after adding an amount of basic water Swim will then test and use the second to adjust. Should Swim go higher? Swim has plenty of solvent, naphtha is cheap, clean, and available. Swim can get pure xylene as well, but he says he will cross that bridge if and when he decides to. Given this should Swim go ahead and evaporate then cfc? Or should he combine pulls, evaporate down a little, then cfc? Swim has pyrex pie dishes with lids. Swim would love to have gorgeous giant crystals and is willing to play with it a bit, he is considering keeping the largest redissolving the rest and using the larger as the seeds. But wonders if these cycles will lead to yellowing and or loss. Is oxygen the main yellowing culprit? If Swim syphons in a bunch of nitrogen will this help? Swim thanks you all for your wisdom in advance.

Lucious, Keep it simple, you are wondering too much [quote:0c6ce55cbf]Swim would love to have gorgeous giant crystals and is willing to play with it a bit[/quote:0c6ce55cbf] My friend obtained this 'by accident'. He performed a A/B tek then he heated the soup before adding naphta and let the whole stuff outside (between 5 and 10 degree) for few days. WHen he wanted to pull out the naphta he realized that ICEBERGS were floating in the naphta just above the lye soup. This looked great but as it happened in the lye jar it was impossible to get rid of some lye contamination and he had to recrystallise all that marvelous stuff. If my friend would have pulled the naphta while hot in a clean jar he would have get the bigger crystals he ever saw See below what he sent me (sorry, blurred photo). The jar is a 5 l plastic bottle. Crystals are large about 1-1,5 cm/ Ah well, looks almost real size on my 19" flat screen. [img:0c6ce55cbf]http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4766/iceberg1bd2.jpg[/img:0c6ce55cbf]

Ummm This makes me wonder.... why Decant and then freeze, if the whole jug could be frozen then filtered? I would imagine the water/bark would eventually freeze, leaving naptha/ DMT layer on top- who knows- they say if it isnt broke dont fix it but it does make me wonder.........

[quote:141b1d6cfe]leaving naptha/ DMT layer on top- who knows-[/quote:141b1d6cfe] Yes, but crystals are in contact with the dark soup because they just float above and even frozen there will be a little dark spots on that crystals.

hey yall swim can't seem to get good yields if the extraction is more that 100g of bark. last extraction from 100g was .3 g dmt. but the 200 g extraction yielded less than .3g. smiw is using a/b process. swim has tried to do everything the same but just doesnt understand the outcome. any suggestions on what is happening? _________________

Angryanus, Are you using powered bark ? If not I would suggest doing a STB instead A/B

yeah its powdered. swim just checked this morning and the dmt just magically decided to precipitate out of the slush... tricky bastard. ill measure tonight and see how much it yielded. upon looking there are suspicious looking rectanglar shaped crystals with snowflakes (dmt) floatin in the solvent. anyone have anyidea what the rectangle crystals are? dont think it is lye because lye forms pointy long crystals.

Hmm not certain but i know lye sinks fast in naptha.

hmm i think im gonna toss out that rectangular crystal extract. What are some examples of smokeable maoi? can the smokable maoi be combined and smoked with dmt at the same time and have boosted effects?

After much planning and gathering Swim decided to take your advice and just jump. Swim did a little less that 224 grams, Swim says he lost some funneling it, in a gallon milk jug. Swim was very glad he had the milk jug in a icechest icebath when he basified as he says the exothermic reaction was impressive. Swim has done 2 pulls so far he evaperated in a pieplate behind a large fan, so the air was sucked over instead of pushed over, Swim does not know if that made a difference. Did Swim do good? [img:2939163b46]http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3508/telescope1ju6.jpg[/img:2939163b46] [img:2939163b46]http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/927/telescope2qf7.jpg[/img:2939163b46] Now should Swim take this and recrystalize? Should Swim maybe just bioessay what he has now, or could there be things Swim doesnt want? In addition to the stars the plate is covered is a shiney glassy material is this the same as the stars?