So ive just made a little changa mix to test the waters, 400mg passionflower and 300mg spice. I know its a small amount, just thought id test it before I make a batch with blue lotus, peppermint and mullein.

My question is do i just load up my cone with the herb and smoke away?? Or do I mesure out the desired amount of spice i want to smoke and load that in?
Also the 400mg of herb seems very little, if I were to mesure out 70mg(40mg PS and 30mg spice) of the mixture that would seem like very little.

How does one smoke the changa out of the bong?

Thanks

can someone give a basic changa mix.....if used 1:1 caapi leaf and spice.....how long would it extend the trip?....would it be like a freebase break through the whole time?

I think it's different. Definately different but I couldn't describe how other than it irons out some of the creases of the pure DMT experience. I feel much less anxiety and get more out of my trips and due to that the time under seems irrelevant. I do think the peak lasts a bit longer though.

http://www.erowid.org/ch...s/dmt/dmt_article1.shtml
good article...

^^cool that erowid is catching on!

I really need to get some caapi leaf...smoking the woody vine is getting a bit hard on the lungs..
I was extracting in iso, but some say that they get more from the vine itself because alcohols destror the harmalas so I have been trying predosing with smoked vine..caapi leaves seem more desirable..

My best and most beautiful changa experince though was with a high dose of caapi extracted in iso put onto some peppermint with spice..I saw like a veil of liquid blue light envelope me in my garden and everything was soo damn beautiful..

Nice incentive to grow some caapi as well..could use the leaves for changa while I wait for the vine to grow nice and old for brews..

my latest batch contains mostly caapi shavings, some salvia divinorum plain leaf, lavender, white sage, peppermint and then the mimosa full alkaloid jim jam stuff, and full alk extract from the second wash of 20 grams chaliponga...it's really nice..hard to break through though, so I think I need to concentrate it more..but its really nice. The salvia makes it sort of more mind expanding, or mind widening, with lots of moving neon fractals and overwhelming euphoria..

next time I am going to make it more light heavy, and add a bit of bufo, and some harmala's salted out of caapi..

i made some other changa with a crude bufotenine extraction evapped onto equal parts caapi shavings..I tested it last night and it was the first time I could lay down in the dark and get psilocybin like fractal visuals actaully interesting enough to look at with bufo with eyes closed..and somehow less nausea than smoking snuff powder made from the same batch..dunno why that is..maybe becasue I evapped and redissolved in iso 2 times and some of the crap was fractioned out..either way it was nice and prob would comliment the spice nicely.

thats interesting your bufo experience with it... SWIM has heard really good things about yopo leaf added to changa...
thats a nice mix too...
changa is definitely an alchemical and intuitive science when mixing it together... once you really get it right there is no turning back you get spot on every time...
break through no longer becomes an issue...

yes I have heard about yopo leaves as well being useful...I have been trying to get some seeds to germinate..with limited success ..they germinate but dont survive..even in my mini indoor greenhouse...but I will get it eventually..then I can try some extractions on the leaves while I wait for the tress to get bigger...

Just tested a light dose of my batch with chaliponga and mimoa spirits together..just one hit to gauge the strength..it's really nice..sitting here listening to my maria..cant stop singing and everything is gleeming and all magical looking..feel like im frying on acid

Thats another thing I love about changa..it's useful for pre-breakthrough doses as well and feels more close to other long lasting entheogens..easy to breakthrough on, and still awesome for a good 30-40 mid level trip..still on par with a nice mid dose of aya but none of the body load..and the caapi adds this wonderful euphoria as well..it helps me stay happy when I feel sorta low, like a psychedelic anti depressant...same with bufo actaully..bufo has this wonderful afterglow to it for me that always helps to pick me up.

whats so neat is that you can just keep going with it... so far 2 hours is as long as been noted in swims experiments with rats..... but thats because they get tired...

or run out

^^think I maybe heading towards just that..today I have decided on a changa binge..so far it's going great ..smoked nearly half my batch already though... I'm not even getting tolerance though..I think I can go once an hour...my last one was 10 minutes ago and still I was right at the veil..it was real cool I could see and FEEL the entities forming...

sweet! you see the veil to huh? you can see them kinda moving through it or like a transparent silk sheet with some one standing behind it moving it, with it taking their form. you can see peoples faces as part of that veil as well... energy moving in and out... once you atune your own energy to that of the veil it seems to dissipate and your at a different wave length... its very interesting... Swim thinks you got the gift there... most people cant seem to see past their own mental projections but seem to think that thats whats real... their own mind/illusions...

any who... all that gibberish aside... that is freakin awesome... SWIM is glad that swims not the only one to have the no tollerance build up... its great to see that.
swim thought that would be the case... when drinking aya you can drink more and get higher... why not with smoking changa? there is a point though where you need more if you wait to long... with both tea and smoke...
so glad you went on a bender! thats more evidence...

Ya so I went again a few hours and it was still stronger than the others...It was like I was inside of a big comptuer with circuit board type geometry crawling all over the walls..and I had this trippy screen saver with some pixies and they were like comming to life, swinging they;re wands out of the computer screen sending off sparkly trails of colour in time with the music..then everything sort of just blended together for a short period of time and it was incredibly euphoric..

I like how I can go multiple times without any decrese of effects..very convienient.

yep there you go!
haha!
the powers of changa... meaning you can work with this medicine all day... you no longer have any tollerence build up with the spice... and that is on the on hand ascary thought lol but on the other... a relaly nice thing if you doing some serious work with the medicince... thanks for getting high swiy... you proved the fricken point...

whats swiy?

Y stands for u

oh..ha stupid me!

Agreed on long changa sessions. It is very suitable for bumping. You can ride in and out of your desired level of involvement for a seemingly endless amount of time. Very nice in a joint with friends: light it up, pass it around, put it out, light up again a little later on, just hang out wordlessly together drifting around in semi-space.

This personal recipe was posted long ago in this thread, worth re-posting to share:

500mg spice freebase
250mg THH hcl
250mg harmaline freebase

- dissolve in acetone

1 gram lion's tail flowers
1 gram indian warrior buds

- dry and chop finely
- mix into acetone solution
- stir often while evaporating
- keep out of direct sunlight
- keep outside with good air ventilation (a nearby fan helps)
- wait until completely dry with no remaining acetone aroma

Makes for a very soothing blend with a wonderfully long afterglow and no burnout. The harmalas bring a high level of euphoric body sensations and vibrations and accompanying spice brings the visual and mind exploration. The ratios of this blend are not intended for hardcore breakthroughs. 1 toke brings a gradual rushing with nice body vibrations, 2 tokes brings the unmistakable settling into the zone, 3 tokes and you're tripping comfortably, more tokes take you deeper to your liking. Works well in a bowl or a joint. A normal sized joint shared between 4 people is perfect.

Enjoy.

I've received my Pau d'Arco today, the positive reactions made me really curious. But honestly i'm a bit dissapointed now. I've tried to smoke some cause it seemed a bit strange to me that smoking bark could be that pleasant. And indeed i find the smoke very harsh and unpleasant, tastes like burning wood! Does enhancing it with spice makes it smoother? I find Peppermint SO much smoother on the lungs...

Don't even bother with pau d'arco, save it for tea. That's just my opinion.
Mullein + Caapi leaf are really the only things you need to make a changa that pleases the gods.

I dunno why people smoke d'arco...it's basically an anti-parasitical medicine..it's not used to produce euphoria or anything like that..stong medicine though.